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Nah I prefer to discuss with people who have some basic literacy or googling skills because if you search for "economist predicting the fall of china" you'll fi
by Daishiman 6mo ago
Nah I prefer to discuss with people who have some basic literacy or googling skills because if you search for "economist predicting the fall of china" you'll find both their articles and the commentary surrounding it.
It ain't that hard!
- Saline9515 6mo agoI'm asking because I read regularly the Economist and don't feel that it's a true statement. For instance, the latest Chaguan column is quite balanced: https://www.economist.com/china/2026/04/27/xi-jinping-wants-china-to-read-more-as-long-as-its-the-right-books https://www.economist.com/china/2026/04/27/xi-jinping-wants-... So yeah, if you have wold claims, you better back them with sources.
- culi 6mo agoI also regularly keep up with The Economist and other western news outlets and I completely agree with GP's impression that we see a "China is doomed" opinion piece every other month. Same with geopolitical youtubers. Obviously none of us are committed enough to this internet discussion to do a formal study to prove our impressions but I think the majority of regular readers would also agree. Asking for sources for what is common knowledge is just a silly way to shut down discussion instead of engaging with it
- Saline9515 6mo agoI asked for a single article representing this point of view. If it is so common, it should be easy to find? No?
- culi 6mo agoYes, you would have a very easy time finding one.
- Saline9515 6mo agoIf you can't show any proof or even circumstantial evidence of your theory, it's worthless and the Economist is not a China-doomer paper. The reality is that it's a lie and the Economist is quite balanced about China (even while they are banned from publishing there!). For instance, their latest cover was quite positive about the country: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2026/04/01/how-china-hopes-to-win-from-the-war https://www.economist.com/leaders/2026/04/01/how-china-hopes...
- culi 6mo agoHere bud https://old.reddit.com/r/China/comments/yzol6h/ https://old.reddit.com/r/China/comments/yzol6h/
- ch4s3 6mo agoThose aren't from The Economist, the articles mentioned there are from Vox, the Guardian, and Al Jazeera.
- bit-anarchist 6mo agoThey are also 10 years old.
- ch4s3 6mo agoThat user always does this. They make bold claims then frantically google and fail to read their own links, and it’s always in favor of China or some communist dictatorship.
- culi 6mo agoAre y'all seriously still on this? Here you go. The top results from a google search https://www.economist.com/leaders/2015/08/29/the-great-fall-of-china https://www.economist.com/leaders/2015/08/29/the-great-fall-... ^ they literally had a magazine cover with "GREAT FALL OF CHINA" https://www.economist.com/the-world-ahead/2025/11/12/the-chinese-economy-will-slow-in-the-year-ahead https://www.economist.com/the-world-ahead/2025/11/12/the-chi... https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/11/03/the-mystery-of-chinas-slumping-investment https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/11/03/t... https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/02/12/why-chinas-central-bank-wont-save-the-country-from-deflation https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/02/12/w... FFS none of you actually read The Economist yet I'm the one who has to google for you.
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- bit-anarchist 6mo agoThe burden of proof is on the claimaint, you. Don't push your due dilligence onto others.
- Daishiman 6mo agoIf I were discussing a formal argument in debate club sure. I don't do googling for others when the first 10 results in google for this is either source articles from The Economist of a half dozen forum threads commenting the same thing for the past 5 years.
- Saline9515 6mo agoI asked you for a single article representing your claim, since it is so common it should be easy to find? It's as ridiculous as if I declare that the earth is flat, but provide no explanation since "you can google".
- culi 6mo agoImagine if you had to provide a source every time you claimed The Holocaust happened.
- Saline9515 6mo agoYes, of course, the perceived editorial line of the Economist is similar to the Holocaust. Also, it is quite easy to do in the later case, you can link the relevant wikipedia article.
- bit-anarchist 6mo agoDepends if we are in agreement. If we are, no. If we aren't and we want to have a sincere discussion, yes. If all you do is come, claim that the Holocaust happened in a certain way, and hoped to call it a day without any proof nor evidence, that's just a demonstration of your own bad faith and intolerance. Luckily for many, the internet is filled with evidence about it, so any good faith argumenter should have little difficuty doing so. The only people averted to do so are people not interested in a proper discussion, at which point, they should just leave rather than spout baseless claims. Even if their conclusion is correct, poor arguments do nothing more than hurt the pursuit of the truth (normally for spreading intolerance, which helped the Holocaust happen).