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Best of luck! These proxy wars have existed since the days of Assyria. 3000 years and running. Kind of depressing thought actually.

by boringg 5mo ago

nradov 5mo ago
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anonymars 5mo ago
> Kind of depressing thought actually I gotchu: https://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY https://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY ("This Land is Mine", 3 min)
- dansmith1919 5mo ago
  Finally, a history video I fully understand
- frm88 5mo ago
  Brilliant video. Thank you.
dgb23 5mo ago
I tried to make sense of middle eastern politics once. My conclusion has been „It’s complicated.“
- hackeraccount 5mo ago
  I'd go to you for information before I'd go to the people who say, "It's really all pretty simple..."
- Koffiepoeder 5mo ago
  Reminds me of this (by now completely outdated) middle east friendship chart I once came across. [0]: https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle...
- DANmode 5mo ago
  Yes - but complicated by what.
mmooss 5mo ago
Lots of things have existed throughout history, yet we have overcome them in the last few hundred years. There is peace in Europe (west of Russia) which had as ancient conflict as Yemen; there is democracy, freedom, women have equal rights in much of the world, starvation and many diseases are mostly overcome, warfare is very rare and not an omnipresent threat, ... Thank goodness our predecessors didn't think this way. They thought that through reason, hard word, and humanism they could overcome these things, and they did. No doubt there were plenty of naysayers. What will we do with our turn?
- boringg 5mo ago
  While I commend the positive attitude and I tend to have a positive view on the trajectory of humanity. This part of the planet has been almost intractable since the age of Hammurabi - it is quite fractured without any current overarching unity or framework. There isn't a dominant religion (similar to Europe) or shared values. I could say almost meaningless things like "thought that through reason, hard word, and humanism they could overcome these things" which would make little of the hard truths of the long histories of the varied peoples and fractions of the area. It would almost seem naive to say things like because we've solved some tough problems in the last century we can solve all problems. I think you gloss over much and certainly give yourself a mightier than thou feeling with your "Thank goodness our predecessors didn't think this way". I too hope for peaceful resolution and stability but fall back to the historic record of success especially in a place that is constantly, recently and historically decimated by war among fiefdoms.
  - ifwinterco 5mo ago
    Europe didn’t have a common religion after the Reformation (at least not in the sense people who lived there at the time would recognise). In fact it was wars with a strong religious element between Protestant and catholic factions that tore Europe apart for centuries afterwards
    - usrnm 5mo ago
      Europe didn't have a common religion before the reformation as well. There were literal crusades inside Europe including against other christians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
edgyquant 5mo ago
Not really there are time of instability but large stretches of stable government usually under a single empire the Persians, Rome, Caliphs and then Ottomans. The current shit show is due to a western induced collapse of the ottomans and then western powers ensuring no single nation can once again enforce that stability.
- logicchains 5mo ago
  >Not really there are time of instability but large stretches of stable government usually under a single empire the Persians, Rome, Caliphs and then Ottomans. The Gulf countries now are in a far better condition than they were under the Ottomans (and than modern Turkey). "Stability" is what led the Ottoman Empire to devolve into a backwards, economically undeveloped society that was incapable of competing with the west.

Best of luck! These proxy wars have existed since the days of Assyria. 3000 years and running. Kind of depressing thought actually.

by boringg 5mo ago

Best of luck! These proxy wars have existed since the days of Assyria. 3000 years and running. Kind of depressing thought actually.

nradov 5mo ago

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anonymars 5mo ago

> Kind of depressing thought actually I gotchu: https://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY https://youtu.be/-evIyrrjTTY ("This Land is Mine", 3 min)

dansmith1919 5mo ago
Finally, a history video I fully understand
frm88 5mo ago
Brilliant video. Thank you.

dgb23 5mo ago

I tried to make sense of middle eastern politics once. My conclusion has been „It’s complicated.“

hackeraccount 5mo ago
I'd go to you for information before I'd go to the people who say, "It's really all pretty simple..."
Koffiepoeder 5mo ago
Reminds me of this (by now completely outdated) middle east friendship chart I once came across. [0]: https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle...
DANmode 5mo ago
Yes - but complicated by what.

mmooss 5mo ago

Lots of things have existed throughout history, yet we have overcome them in the last few hundred years. There is peace in Europe (west of Russia) which had as ancient conflict as Yemen; there is democracy, freedom, women have equal rights in much of the world, starvation and many diseases are mostly overcome, warfare is very rare and not an omnipresent threat, ... Thank goodness our predecessors didn't think this way. They thought that through reason, hard word, and humanism they could overcome these things, and they did. No doubt there were plenty of naysayers. What will we do with our turn?

boringg 5mo ago
While I commend the positive attitude and I tend to have a positive view on the trajectory of humanity. This part of the planet has been almost intractable since the age of Hammurabi - it is quite fractured without any current overarching unity or framework. There isn't a dominant religion (similar to Europe) or shared values. I could say almost meaningless things like "thought that through reason, hard word, and humanism they could overcome these things" which would make little of the hard truths of the long histories of the varied peoples and fractions of the area. It would almost seem naive to say things like because we've solved some tough problems in the last century we can solve all problems. I think you gloss over much and certainly give yourself a mightier than thou feeling with your "Thank goodness our predecessors didn't think this way". I too hope for peaceful resolution and stability but fall back to the historic record of success especially in a place that is constantly, recently and historically decimated by war among fiefdoms.
- ifwinterco 5mo ago
  Europe didn’t have a common religion after the Reformation (at least not in the sense people who lived there at the time would recognise). In fact it was wars with a strong religious element between Protestant and catholic factions that tore Europe apart for centuries afterwards
  - usrnm 5mo ago
    Europe didn't have a common religion before the reformation as well. There were literal crusades inside Europe including against other christians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

edgyquant 5mo ago

Not really there are time of instability but large stretches of stable government usually under a single empire the Persians, Rome, Caliphs and then Ottomans. The current shit show is due to a western induced collapse of the ottomans and then western powers ensuring no single nation can once again enforce that stability.

logicchains 5mo ago
>Not really there are time of instability but large stretches of stable government usually under a single empire the Persians, Rome, Caliphs and then Ottomans. The Gulf countries now are in a far better condition than they were under the Ottomans (and than modern Turkey). "Stability" is what led the Ottoman Empire to devolve into a backwards, economically undeveloped society that was incapable of competing with the west.