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> we started working on path to multi cloud. Is this microsoft stating that they aren't able to get acceptable reliability from Azure? (I mean, I think a lot o
by mijoharas 6mo ago
> we started working on path to multi cloud.
Is this microsoft stating that they aren't able to get acceptable reliability from Azure? (I mean, I think a lot of us have heard that, but it's interesting to hear it from microsoft themselves).
- derwiki 6mo agoIt’s pretty damning. But as someone who has used Azure, I buy it.
- everfrustrated 6mo agoPretty damming that two Microsoft subsidiaries - GitHub and LinkedIn - either shelved their forced migration to Azure or are looking at non-Azure options.
- jasoncartwright 6mo agoSeems pretty sensible to not rely on a single provider for their large complex system?
- mijoharas 6mo agoI mean, amazon (shopping, along with prime video e.t.c.) runs on AWS.
- jasoncartwright 6mo agoPrime video uses a non-AWS CDN when I watch football on it here in the UK
- farfatched 6mo agoThe BBC were unable to find a single CDN that could serve the UK during its peak football matches. https://www.bbc.co.uk/webarchive/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fblogs%2Finternet%2Fentries%2F8c6c2414-df7a-4ad7-bd2e-dbe481da3633 https://www.bbc.co.uk/webarchive/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk...
- jamesfinlayson 6mo agoI'd believe it - CloudFront always felt a bit like AWS ticking a box ("we have a CDN") rather than being a good to use product.
- grogenaut 6mo agothat's called load balancing and regional availability. many companies do multi-cdn. in fact it's smart to use multiple CDNs so you can do better in contract time. Twitch uses IVS but we have failover to other CDNs for very large events.
- ksimukka 6mo agoWhen I was at AWS, retail was not yet running on AWS. Has that changed? Prime video does use some AWS services, but live and on-demand are two entirely different beasts.
- mijoharas 6mo agoReally? I thought retail was. It's been almost a decade since I worked at prime video but I think everything was running on AWS. (Some things didn't use brazil etc, but I think all the servers etc. were on AWS)
- malfist 6mo agoIt's a distinction without a difference. All new development is nAWS (native AWS) legacy is mAWS (not sure about the acronym) which is still AWS under the hood and is mostly just a pool of EC2 instances with preconfigured networks. Nothing made in the last five or six years is on maws, and amazon is a micro service shop so things are always being built new. If you joined today there's a good chance you'd join a team without any maws infra
- cmckn 6mo agoMAWS is “Move to AWS”, the name of the internal campaign to get legacy services into a somewhat-retrofitted AWS environment. It was a single VPC at one point.
- malfist 6mo agoI just finished a nearly five year stint at amazon and didn't realize there was pre-maws stuff still around. Never encountered any of it. I was like two months from my yellow badge but, uh, life is really better outside amazon.
- grogenaut 6mo agomany parts of AWS are not on AWS, and there's reasons to have bare metal but it's not as common and aws gives you good access in most cases.
- PunchyHamster 6mo agoIt was more "we built AWS to run our stuff and figured out we can sell it too". While Azure feels like Temu clone of Cloud
- grogenaut 6mo agoactually incorrect. They figured they could sell unused hardware retail didn't need during non-peak, and retail could become more scalable. They went off in a corner with uncle andy for a year or 2 and built the basics. Like 10 years later retail was actually using AWS and not something that pretended it wasn't on aws. MAWS (being on aws not bare metal) was like a 2012-2015 thing and took for ever for NAWS (native aws) to happen that wasn't apollo, tho amazon still loves apollo in many places. Kinda a dirty secret, retai wasn't on aws until after aws was really popular.
- cyanydeez 6mo agoThis isn't a mom and pop shop. They have locations all over the world: https://datacenters.microsoft.com/ https://datacenters.microsoft.com/ There's no intrinsic reason they should be vulnerable to themselves.
- jasoncartwright 6mo agoThat website (for me) uses Cloudflare via WPEngine, which also isn't Azure
- farfatched 6mo ago+1. Multi-cloud is typically done for vendor independence. But Github don't have that rationale.
- tacticus 6mo agoand many of those azure regions are a single DC or single cage in a single dc that you can walk past to find the bigger netflix pop.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoMan, you should have been there 6 months ago when they decided to start tearing down GitHub's own data centers and move everything exclusively to Azure. Seems they themselves realized this after they started moving, but imagine if you could have helped them realize this before they even started :)
- benterix 6mo ago> Seems they themselves realized this after they started moving I guess most people at Github knew exactly it makes no sense but they didn't really have a choice. Maybe some voiced their statement, got "we hear you" in response and were told to proceed anyway.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoYeah, I don't know how it went down, but I also know exactly how it went down: Microsoft Execs: Everyone needs to move to Azure! GitHub developers: But Azure is not gonna be able to handle our load, we literally have our own data centers! Microsoft Execs: Sure, but you're Microsoft now, please publish blog post about how in half a year you'll be 100% on Azure. Few months later... GitHub Developer: We've tried our best, users are leaving in droves and Azure can't keep up! Microsoft Execs: Ok fine, you can use something else too, but only if you mainly use Azure and continue publishing blog posts about how great Azure is.
- alper 6mo agoAzure is the MS Teams of clouds.
- nextaccountic 6mo agoMade me think. Why not convert Github datacenters into Azure datacenters that have Github as their sole customer? Then it's up to Azure how they will manage this
- hobofan 6mo ago
- cbg0 6mo agoI think this is more tailored towards enterprise clients that lose money when Github is down, that would probably help with retention.
- jansan 6mo agoThe entire concept of multi cloud is amusing if you think what cloud originally was supposed to be. They could call them meta clouds (might infringe trademarks), and with the current growth trajectory of AI generated code eventually multi-meta-clouds, renamed to beyond-clouds, and then multi-beyond-clounds. I see no limits.
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- youwangd 6mo agoShow HN timing matters more than people think. Monday-Thursday, 9-11am Pacific, is when the front page has the most engaged readers. Weekend posts get less competition but also less engagement.
- zamalek 6mo agoThere was somewhat recently a post here about how priorities, pressure, and management subverted Dave Cutler's vision for Azure (which was to have near zero human involvement) - my Google fu isn't strong enough to find it. Supposedly, someone running over or opening a serial to a rack/VM is now typical operational procedure.
- ok_dad 6mo agoThis one? https://isolveproblems.substack.com/p/how-microsoft-vaporized-a-trillion https://isolveproblems.substack.com/p/how-microsoft-vaporize...
- zamalek 6mo agoThat's the one!
- consumer451 6mo agoAmazing read. Thanks to both of you for finding that. > I later researched this further and found that no one at Microsoft, not a single soul, could articulate why up to 173 agents were needed to manage an Azure node, what they all did, how they interacted with one another, what their feature set was, or even why they existed in the first place. This reads like a description of the SLS-based (aka Senate Launch System) Artemis program, which somehow ended up deciding that the insane Lunar Gateway should be a thing. Destin (SmarterEveryDay on YouTube) [0] called out the entire nutball scheme to NASA, at NASA. This includes the SLS/Orion/Lunar Gateway insanity, and calling out the number of unknown, but very large number, of on-orbit refuelings that Starship would need to get to the moon. In that video's comments, I believe there is someone who worked on the Orion-related system, who says ~"Yeah, we thought the delta-v was too low, we could have increased it, but no one was speaking with each other at a whole system level." The mission drift at large orgs, gov and corp, is a huge problem that might one day be solved? [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoJsPvmFixU
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- tedd4u 6mo ago> multi-cloud XXXXL size project. May not ever deliver. But if it fails, it will only do so after years grinding through people, resources, etc.