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This was hugely overblown in the media... While the device operates like a stingray, they were using it to spam and phish. The whole claim of "we've never see
by nubinetwork 6mo ago
This was hugely overblown in the media... While the device operates like a stingray, they were using it to spam and phish. The whole claim of "we've never seen this type of device before in Canada" is a lie, because the government and law enforcement both use them. I guess it's okay if they do it, but nobody else can...
- panny 6mo agoA government backdoor was found and abused by criminals? No one could have predicted this! :)
- Jolter 6mo agoIt’s not exactly a back door. It’s a fake radio cell, mimicking your network provider and acting like a man in the middle. In that sense, it’s like a stingray. The differences are 1. The Stingray eavesdrops, but avoids interfering with user traffic 2. The stingray is operated by law enforcement, not by fraudsters looking to steal your money
- QuantumNomad_ 6mo agoIsn’t it less of a government backdoor and more of a result of generally old and insecure protocols still being in use for telecom? Like, the phones happily connect to these fake towers because the signal is strongest from that one and there is no authentication to verify who the tower belongs to, nor encryption of SMSes?
- Affric 6mo agoWell said but by the time mobile phone towers were built we had been tapping phone lines for a long time. Hard to not think that to an extent default insecurity for telecoms was a choice.
- sitharus 6mo agoWhen it was developed it was assumed that the cost of cellular equipment and, in some countries, the regulatory hurdles required to get authorisation to purchase radio transmitters that operate on licensed bands would make it almost impossible to do this. I worked in a company that had a base station emulator in their testing lab in 2008. I can’t recall the cost but it was well over $10,000 and only worked with direct antenna coupling, it couldn’t broadcast. Now we have software defined radios.
- Nasrudith 6mo agoDo you honestly believe that teleco companies wouldn't receive government backlash about 'the children' if they were to implement an actually secure standard?
- mc32 6mo agoYes I think they mean they hadn’t seen it used before outside of sanctioned organizations. Though one could argue some bad actors inside the org likely used it outside of official capacity though not likely with knowledge or approval by superiors.
- anigbrowl 6mo agoWouldn't it be great if public officials would say what they in fact mean the first time?
- rdevilla 6mo agoTorontonians are hardwired to be incapable of speaking like this.
- bigiain 6mo agoAnd law enforcement are trained to speak a language with sounds like english, but isn't, and which makes no sense. https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-ambiguous-grammar https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-... (A long-ish read, but totally worth it. the "punch line" is beautiful.)
- rdevilla 6mo agoPoetry.
- philipallstar 6mo agoSpeed and brownness were involved in a jumping‑related incident with a lazy dog and a fox.
- raverbashing 6mo agoI would say Canadians but British Columbians (yes this is the actual term) are even worse
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- tamimio 6mo agoTo add, ISED literally goes around in cars to scan for non registered BTS (or even non conforming ones) and report them, sometimes (or a lot of times) they catch false positives when the interference happens to be a strong LED lol. The gov uses the tech to ID individuals however, especially in group gatherings or around certain locations, always look around for big vans with no windows :), I either don’t take my phone or it’s always on airplane mode until I want to disable it briefly before activating it again.
- kevin_thibedeau 6mo ago> hugely overblown Did they graciously forward emergency calls and text messages to the real phone network?
- echelon 6mo agoHopefully nobody in the area was an oncall surgeon, engineer, etc.
- cucumber3732842 6mo agoThe fact that they didn't get busted in no time at all seems to point strongly in that direction. With the amount invested in this operation that would just be common sense.
- dnnddidiej 6mo agoMight as well start a telco at that point.
- lxgr 6mo ago“Please enter your 16 digit payment card number to be connected to an emergency operator”…
- hluska 6mo agoThe claim was that this was the first time that a device like this has been used in fraud but go ahead, misread things and become outraged. I’m sure that in this case the fraudsters properly forwarded all 911 calls so no harm, no foul hey?
- yieldcrv 6mo agoprosecutors have never seen them because the DA has never brought a case against the agencies that use them so it’s an accurate statement the government isn’t one thing, it’s people that don’t work for all agencies