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Yeah, totally. The recent pricing changes have just made my Copilot subscription go from great deal to awful value over night. I've been wanting to get off MS

Yeah, totally. The recent pricing changes have just made my Copilot subscription go from great deal to awful value over night. I've been wanting to get off MS more generally and this is good motivation. Will be playing round with OR this week.

cedws 5mo ago
Just be aware OpenRouter charges a 5.5% fee, I didn’t know until recently. I like the product, and I think the fee is fair, but if you want the absolute best pricing then go direct.
- ffsm8 5mo ago
  But with open router you can always just use the latest model. If you're committed to eg Claude opus then you're better off going directly to anthropic for sure, but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper. Eg new deep seek model with same mio context window or Kimi k2.6 with 270k context window for subagents which implement
  - gruez 5mo ago
    >but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code? Otherwise to pay 5.5% on all your tokens just so it's slightly easier to swap providers (ie. changing a few urls?)
    - swiftcoder 5mo ago
      > Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code? Yep, you can plug deepseek/kimi/minimax into claude code just fine. Or run everything through another harness like opencode instead.
- AntiUSAbah 5mo ago
  Wow thats a lot for routing traffic.
  - sailfast 5mo ago
    And handling API tokens, and billing, and reliability, and middleware. I am not affiliated with them but it’s not “just” routing. Apple still charges 30%. 5.5 seems pretty reasonable. /shrug I dunno.
    - Dylan16807 5mo ago
      > handling API tokens Don't you still need to handle tokens with them? Also that's trivial. > billing Yes but you'd be paying for billing anyway. > reliability They increase reliability? > middleware Which you wouldn't need if you paid directly. I'm not saying they shouldn't get 5.5%, but that list is mostly non-convincing. > Apple still charges 30%. 3 of the 30 is for billing, with the rest mostly being gatekeeping with a fake justification on top.
      - polski-g 5mo ago
        There's nothing trivial about getting a Google API key. Openrouter removes that stress from my life. And I can route requests to providers above a certain TPS threshold. And much more.
      - brianush1 5mo ago
        > They increase reliability? For models that have multiple providers, they automatically route your requests to a different provider if one of them goes down.
      - sailfast 5mo ago
        My point was that it centralizes this to one place instead of 10 for engineers, not that you wouldn’t have to deal with these things at all. A single point of access with a single key for all of these things is a worthwhile convenience.
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- attentive 5mo ago
  Or you could use gcp Vertex or aws Bedrock and still have access to a bunch of FMs without a markup.
webworker 5mo ago
I will not be renewing/switching over, either. I had copilot mainly so I could write issues and throw agents at it, while I went off and did other things. Has been great for contained spot work. At this point, I'll go ahead and leave it expire, and then consolidate between Codex and JetBrains AI. Especially since Xcode supports Codex with a first-party integration.
- seventuning 5mo ago
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cedws 5mo ago

Just be aware OpenRouter charges a 5.5% fee, I didn’t know until recently. I like the product, and I think the fee is fair, but if you want the absolute best pricing then go direct.

ffsm8 5mo ago
But with open router you can always just use the latest model. If you're committed to eg Claude opus then you're better off going directly to anthropic for sure, but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper. Eg new deep seek model with same mio context window or Kimi k2.6 with 270k context window for subagents which implement
- gruez 5mo ago
  >but if not, varying other models may be fine too, depending on use case and be massively cheaper Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code? Otherwise to pay 5.5% on all your tokens just so it's slightly easier to swap providers (ie. changing a few urls?)
  - swiftcoder 5mo ago
    > Do inference providers have standardized endpoints, or at least endpoints compatible with claude code? Yep, you can plug deepseek/kimi/minimax into claude code just fine. Or run everything through another harness like opencode instead.
AntiUSAbah 5mo ago
Wow thats a lot for routing traffic.
- sailfast 5mo ago
  And handling API tokens, and billing, and reliability, and middleware. I am not affiliated with them but it’s not “just” routing. Apple still charges 30%. 5.5 seems pretty reasonable. /shrug I dunno.
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    > handling API tokens Don't you still need to handle tokens with them? Also that's trivial. > billing Yes but you'd be paying for billing anyway. > reliability They increase reliability? > middleware Which you wouldn't need if you paid directly. I'm not saying they shouldn't get 5.5%, but that list is mostly non-convincing. > Apple still charges 30%. 3 of the 30 is for billing, with the rest mostly being gatekeeping with a fake justification on top.
    - polski-g 5mo ago
      There's nothing trivial about getting a Google API key. Openrouter removes that stress from my life. And I can route requests to providers above a certain TPS threshold. And much more.
    - brianush1 5mo ago
      > They increase reliability? For models that have multiple providers, they automatically route your requests to a different provider if one of them goes down.
    - sailfast 5mo ago
      My point was that it centralizes this to one place instead of 10 for engineers, not that you wouldn’t have to deal with these things at all. A single point of access with a single key for all of these things is a worthwhile convenience.
- 5mo ago
attentive 5mo ago
Or you could use gcp Vertex or aws Bedrock and still have access to a bunch of FMs without a markup.

webworker 5mo ago

I will not be renewing/switching over, either. I had copilot mainly so I could write issues and throw agents at it, while I went off and did other things. Has been great for contained spot work. At this point, I'll go ahead and leave it expire, and then consolidate between Codex and JetBrains AI. Especially since Xcode supports Codex with a first-party integration.

seventuning 5mo ago
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