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They redefined AGI to be an economical thing, so they can continue making up their stories. All that talk is really just business, no real science in the room t
by PurpleRamen 6mo ago
They redefined AGI to be an economical thing, so they can continue making up their stories. All that talk is really just business, no real science in the room there.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> They redefined AGI to be an economical thing Huh. Source? I mean, typical OpenAI bullshit, but would love to know how they defined it.
- binary0010 6mo agoOpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity From: https://openai.com/charter/ https://openai.com/charter/
- freejazz 6mo agoMarketing
- binary0010 6mo agoI'm so confused why I was down voted for answering the question that was asked?
- benterix 6mo agoBecause 1) your answer had nothing to do with the question, 2) you quoted a slogan that life verified as false.
- binary0010 6mo ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> They redefined AGI to be an economical thing Huh. Source? I don't think your original comment deserve to be downvoted. (Calling someone illiterate, on the other hand.) But the "it" I was asking about was "AGI" as "an economical thing." You technically correctly answered how OpenAI defines AGI in public, i.e. with no reference to profits. But it did not address the economic definition OP initially alluded to. For what it's worth, I could have been clearer in my ask.
- binary0010 6mo agoYeah I deserve to be down voted for the last message no doubt on that lol. But originally I was just trying to be helpful by quoting their charter on what they consider "agi" now.
- benterix 6mo agoThe question was about their redefinition of AGI in economical terms for which others provided links, not the one from their (obviously fake) mission statement. BTW I didn't downwote you (I hate it, if many people downvote a comment it's harder to read), I was just trying to explain why others did. On second thought, my comment was wrong, because your answer was related to the question but it wasn't really the intended one.
- ahoka 6mo agoAGI is when the capitalists are not forced to share their profits with the intelligentsia.
- Fomite 6mo agoAll humanity will benefit, but some humanity will benefit more than others.
- red-iron-pine 6mo agoi am highly skeptical "all" of humanity will benefit, and many will have extreme negatives. if you think drone targeting in Ukraine is scary now, wait until AGI is on it... ditto for exploiting vulns via mythos
- rvz 6mo agoTranslation: IPO.
- a2128 6mo agoAround the end of 2024, it was reported that OpenAI and Microsoft agreed that for the purposes of their exclusivity agreement, AGI will be achieved when their AI system generates $100 billion in profit: https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-a-financial-definition-of-agi-report/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> OpenAI and Microsoft agreed that for the purposes of their exclusivity agreement, AGI will be achieved when their AI system generates $100 billion in profit Wow. Maybe they spelled it out as aggregate gross income :P.
- bena 6mo agoSo no human on Earth is intelligent by that metric.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago> So no human on Earth is intelligent by that metric. That's a relevent aspect of the AGI concept.
- gowld 6mo agoCompanies that have created "AGI": Apple, Alphabet, Amazon, NVIDIA, Samsung, Intel, Cisco, Pfizer, UnitedHealth , Procter & Gamble, Berkshire Hathaway, China Construction Bank, Wells Fargo, ...
- AndrewKemendo 6mo agoFor some definition of Artificial this holds perfectly A self-running massive corporation with no people that generates billions in profit, no matter what you call it, would completely upend all previous structural assumptions under capitalism
- 9rx 6mo agoThose were all achieved by "GI".
- wrs 6mo agoIt’s a system that generates $100 billion in profit. [0] [0] https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-a-financial-definition-of-agi-report/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/12/26/microsoft-and-openai-have-...
- pigeons 6mo agoAre there inflation markers included?
- rvz 6mo agoHere's the sauce you requested: [0] "OpenAI has only achieved AGI when it develops AI systems that can generate at least $100 billion in profits." Given that the definition of AGI is beyond meaningless, it is clear that the "I" in AGI stands for IPO. [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-openai-financial-definition-agi-171602910.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-openai-financial-de...
- weatherlite 6mo agoIt's not a great definition but it's also not a terrible one either. For an AI system to be able to do all or even most of the jobs in an economy it has to be well rounded in a way it still isn't today, meaning: reliability, planning, long term memory, physical world manipulation etc. A system that can do all of that well enough so it can do the jobs of doctors, programmers and plumbers is generally intelligent in my view.
- chaos_emergent 6mo agoYeah I think this is more coherent than people realize. Economically relevant knowledge work is things that humans find cognitively demanding. Otherwise they wouldn't be valued in the first place. It ties the definition to economic value, which I think is the best definition that we can conjure given that AGI is otherwise highly subjective. Economically relevant work is dictated by markets, which I think is the best proxy we have for something so ambiguous.
- Barbing 6mo agoWas there a better way than setting an arbitrary $100b threshold? e.g. average cost to complete a set of representative tasks
- 3form 6mo agoYeah, I'm sure there could be a better metric, if the metric's purpose was to check on the progress until the AGI target rather than doing business based on it (and so, hammering the metric to fit the shape of "realistic goal")
- 3form 6mo agoIt's maybe somewhat nice conceptually, and certainly an useful added value - but the elsewhere mentioned $100 billion profit is not the right metric. And then I think coming up with the right metric is just as subjective on this field as the technological one.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago
- senordevnyc 6mo agoPlease reveal the “scientific” definition of AGI.
- Avicebron 6mo agoWhen we are having serious conversations about AI rights and shutting off a model + harness was impactful as a death sentence. (I'm extremely skeptical that given the scale of computer/investment needed to produce the models we have _good as they are_ that our current llm architecture gets us there if there is even somewhere we want to go).
- redsocksfan45 6mo ago[dead]
- atleastoptimal 6mo agoIt makes sense though. Humans are coherent to the economy based on their ability to perform useful work. If an AI system can perform work as well as or better than any human, than with respect to "anything any human has ever been willing to pay for", it is AGI. I don't get why HN commenters find this so hard to understand. I have a sense they are being deliberately obtuse because they resent OpenAI's success.
- techpression 6mo agoIt doesn’t though, AGI have far greater implications than doing mundane work of today. Actual AGI would self improve, that in itself would change literally every single thing of human civilization, instead we are talking about replacing white collar jobs.
- fragmede 6mo agoNot to worry, humanoid, generally useful robots are only a few years away.
- atleastoptimal 6mo agoAn AGI that can do all that would also necessarily be able to do all white collar work. That latter definition I'd consider a "soft threshold" that would be hit before recursive self-improvement, which I imagine would happen soon after. The current estimation on the time between this is fairly small, bottlenecked most likely by compute constraints, risk aversion, and need to implement safeguards. Metaculus puts it at about 32 months https://www.metaculus.com/questions/4123/time-between-weak-agi-and-oracle-asi/ https://www.metaculus.com/questions/4123/time-between-weak-a...
- techpression 6mo agoSure, but that’s like saying we’re close att infinite life because we’ve expanded our life expectancy. I don’t really buy into the ”one part equals another”, we are very quick to make those assumptions but they are usually far from the science fiction promised. Batteries and self driving cars comes to mind, and organic or otherwise crazy storage technologies, all ”very soon” for multiple decades. It’s very possible that white collar jobs get automated to a large degree and we’ll be nowhere closer to AGI than we were in the 70’s, I would actually bet on that outcome being far more likely.