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The only data that cannot be stolen or leaked is data that doesn't exist. Hard lesson for both users and companies. Germans (because of course) have a word for
by eqvinox 6mo ago
The only data that cannot be stolen or leaked is data that doesn't exist. Hard lesson for both users and companies.
Germans (because of course) have a word for this: "Datensparsamkeit". Being frugal with your data.
- wlesieutre 6mo agoI miss the pre-LLM days when you could make a decent argument that having any unnecessary data was just a liability. Now all anybody thinks is “more data for the AI!”
- CincinnatiMan 6mo agoWere you not around for the Big Data heyday a decade ago?
- varispeed 6mo agoUntil thumb drives became large enough to fit most datasets it stopped becoming Big Data. Just normal data.
- ffsm8 6mo agoWe have thumb drives that can store petabytes of data? Or did you mean the "big data" crowd which thought 500GB was noteworthy? I don't think anyone took those serious, neither in 2010s nor now. That was always "small" data
- varispeed 6mo agoMost companies using term "big data" had datasets in TB region. One company I had a gig at had full Hadoop cluster setup and their whole dataset was 40GB. Their marketing had all the big data adjacent keywords over the brochures for clients.
- gf000 6mo agoThat's a decent quality 3 hours movie :D
- butlike 6mo ago> We have thumb drives that can store petabytes of data We do?
- ffsm8 6mo agoPlease provide a link.
- BizarroLand 6mo agoYou would need 4 and change of these 245tb Kioxias to hold 1 petabyte, and an entire server grade computer to run them. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/kioxia-unveils-245tb-ssd-the-worlds-highest-capacity-storage-device-could-store-12-500-4k-movies https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/kioxia-unvei... Or 250 of these ~$400 4tb flash drives and an insane number of dongles to connect them all: https://www.slashgear.com/1847725/largest-usb-thumb-drive-highest-capacity-can-buy/ https://www.slashgear.com/1847725/largest-usb-thumb-drive-hi...
- vunuxodo 6mo agoPlus one more for your parity drive.
- dylan604 6mo agoIt was a question that you've edited out the punctuation. You're asking the exact same thing as the person you've replied
- 0x457 6mo agoMy rule of thumb was "can it fit in RAM on a server?" If it can, then it's not big data. 500GB is in the "fits" category.
- jmalicki 6mo agoTo some degree IMO big data is still a mindset when it might take a day to process your data in a normal SQL query. Some tech doesn't scale to the data size for all use cases, and you need different solutions.
- ToucanLoucan 6mo agoHell you mean a decade ago? I still see businesses running losses left right and center saying that they're gonna monetize user data, any day now. Related "monetizing user data" seems to just mean ads. Ads on everything, forever, until the userbase gets fed up and moves to a new service that definitely won't do that, and the cycle repeats about every 3 years.
- citrin_ru 6mo agoData hoarding predates LLMs. There where other machine learning methods which also needed data for training.
- Forgeties79 6mo ago“Before LLM’s there was_____” I see this whenever an LLM’s impact is assessed. We know. The issue is scale and the ability for smaller and smaller groups (down to individuals) to execute at scale. Fake news always existed. Now one dude in India can flood multiple sock puppet media accounts with right wing content/images (actual example) at a scale previously unimaginable.
- dpoloncsak 6mo agoDo LLMs require that much more data than the tradional ML approaches we've seen over the years?
- sigmoid10 6mo agoYes. This is pretty well established. Neural networks in general are considerably less sample-efficient than traditional ML methods. The reason they became so successful is that they scale better as you increase training data and model size. But only with modern compute power they became useful outside of academic toy model applications.
- Forgeties79 6mo agoThat’s not the issue I’m hitting here primarily but yes. My concern is that I can open up chatGPT and even with a free, “anonymous” account run an assembly line generating tens of thousands of words a day to pump to Twitter that are good enough to prop up multiple fake accounts and cause mayhem. Now make it thousands of people like me doing it. Now add funding and political orgs. Add company leadership that turns a blind eye so long as it drives engagement. This scale and pipeline wasn’t possible 5 years ago, even if we clearly see the throughline. I’m not even getting into fake images either. That used to require some know how. There are basically no hurdles and even if most people learn it’s fake, millions likely won’t. If you’re a little lucky, less scrupulous “news” outlets will amplify it for you as well for free.
- hdndjsbbs 6mo ago10+ years ago companies were hoovering up data for ML - trying to find correlations in high-dimensionality data. Mostly the results were garbage but occasionally you hit on a real, unexpected phenomenon. Nowadays you just throw all the data into a black box and believe whatever it says blindly.
- hiccuphippo 6mo agoData that is publicly available also can't be stolen or leaked. Nobody can steal Mozilla's common voice dataset.
- littlecranky67 6mo agoData can never be stolen, because it is not a physical thing. Data can be copied, and it can be erased - sometimes both happens at the same time. Data can be lost, that is when its last existing copy was erased.
- altruios 6mo agopedantic and true. What was stolen was not data, but future revenue based on exclusive access to that data.
- gblargg 6mo agoPedantic and relevant. If they lost the voice samples, they wouldn't have it for training new models. If they were copied, then they have lost nothing in terms of training.
- Planktonne 6mo agoThe use of "steal" for non-physical things pre-dates the use of "data" in the modern sense [1]. Policing language incorrectly is not reasonable. [0] https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/play_view.php?WorkID=henry5&Act=1&Scene=1&Scope=scene&LineHighlight=77#77 https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/views/plays/play_view.... [1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/data https://www.etymonline.com/word/data
- b00ty4breakfast 6mo ago[dead]
- dnnddidiej 6mo agoMoney is not a physical thing.
- tgv 6mo ago> Germans (because of course) I don't know if it's the reason you imply. In the 70s, there were big debates in Germany about privacy and data storage. They spoke of one's data shadow (Datenschatten). I suspect this word comes from that tradition. The reason the word exists would then be the reflection (Verwaltigung) on WW2.
- mrsvanwinkle 6mo agoLove it, also love how Datenschatten can also imply that it disappears when someone shines light on it
- reactordev 6mo agoIf only our past 20 year old self data could be so ephemeral… Who doesn’t want that old post going extinct forever when they were shit faced outside of a bar in Nashville but now they are in their mid-life and are “respectable” members of society.
- theptip 6mo agoThe Stasi would be the obvious cultural context. In the US of course the government buys this sort of information legally from corporations.
- Swizec 6mo ago> The Stasi would be the obvious cultural context. There is also the rather famous example of how earlier census data was used in the 40’s. Once the government has your data, they have it. The next generation of representatives may not follow all the same rules and norms
- RobotToaster 6mo agoThe stasi could only dream of the kind of surveillance the NSA et al has today.
- throwaway173738 6mo ago
- elevation 6mo ago> The only data that cannot be stolen or leaked is data that doesn't exist. Hard lesson for both users and companies. Except no company is learning this lesson. The enterprise threat model includes "our own users", and the modus operandi is to maintain as much information on that threat as possible.
- coolkewlcuil 6mo agoThe only winning move is not to play.
- __alexs 6mo agoSeems a bit like blaming the victim? Your voice (like DNA) is kind of ambient data that's hard to hide.
- dhosek 6mo agoOr you could put it in a box with no connection to the internet. Introducing… The Hooli Box!
- dnnddidiej 6mo agoDo Germans have lots of words or just a lack of spaces?