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It’s embarrassing for humanity that we cause an almighty ecological disaster and then one of the biggest factors in the recovery of local ecosystems is our abse

by jl6 6mo ago

It’s embarrassing for humanity that we cause an almighty ecological disaster and then one of the biggest factors in the recovery of local ecosystems is our absence.

contingencies 6mo ago
Nice one! Added to https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup
- titaniumtown 6mo ago
  What does that project have to do with the above comment?
  - contingencies 6mo ago
    Did you read the page? It's a long-running manual project to document interesting quotes a good portion of which are from HN, with a vague focus on philosophy of design and the modern human condition. You can run it as a fortune-like program at login: brain food upon opening a terminal is a unix tradition dating from 1979. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix) Here's a few randoms to give you a sense: In a few years, men will be able to communicate more effectively through a machine than face to face. - J.C.R. Licklider and R. W. Taylor (1968) Optimization: Prototype before polishing. Get it working before you optimize it. - Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming (2003) The benefit of using [a formal specification language] is that it teaches you to think rigorously, to think precisely, and the important point is the precise thinking. So what you need to avoid at all costs is any language that's all syntax and no semantics. - Leslie Lamport The only function of what we do, of art or of anything, is to give voice to the unspoken: to give it a form that it's never been perceived in before. We can't change the evolution of history or gentrification, you can't stop it but at least you can say "look what you're losing". All we can do is give an image to an idea. - Chris Doyle The most important thing about power is to make sure you don't have to use it. - Edwin Land, founder of Polaroid
nephihaha 6mo ago
This is the rewilding narrative. It's essentially misanthropic and benefits the rich and government agencies. In response, people are supposed to be shoved into cities and out of the countryside. We should be looking at ways that cities and suburban areas can be made more friendly to wildlife (other than the likes of pigeon, mice and rats etc) Humanity's future is co-operation with nature, not creating massive safari parks for rich people and quangos. Even at somewhere like the Chernobyl exclusion zone it is obvious that nature has not fully reverted to its previous state, since it contends with human artefacts and contamination at every step.
- watwut 6mo ago
  > In response, people are supposed to be shoved into cities and out of the countryside. Both Ukraine and Russia have plenty of rural landscape. Neither government is trying to shove people into cities against their own will. Occasionally villages try to attract younger people, but those dont really wanna. (But in both countries, urban people rarely move to villages due to lack of employment opportunities and do move to cities to get jobs.)
  - nephihaha 6mo ago
    Most of Russia is actually uninhabitable due to climate — cold or aridity. Outside Europe Russians are mostly found along the Trans-Siberian corridor and a few other pockets such as Norilsk, Lake Baikal and some river basins. Norilsk itself is an anomaly and is harsh even today.
- mapt 6mo ago
  At this stage rewilding is a matter of establishing lifeboats for what little remains before it completely disappears, not wiping the landscape clean. You can't put the full measure of ecological complexity into a small cage in a zoo.
  - nephihaha 6mo ago
    There are actually vast swathes of territory with very little human population. There is an entire continent which is almost completely inhabited apart from a few bases. Same with most of the Sahara and other such deserts. Or much of the larger mountain ranges. The world's population is not evenly distributed, and is mostly coastal even today. Even Asia, the most heavily populated continent has thousands of square miles with barely anyone in it. We've already had some "rewilding" in Scotland and it was called the Highland Clearances. It resulted in the almost wholesale destruction of Gaelic culture, and most of the region's people losing their homes. Now we have billionaires and aristocrats who want to finish that process.

by jl6 6mo ago

It’s embarrassing for humanity that we cause an almighty ecological disaster and then one of the biggest factors in the recovery of local ecosystems is our absence.

contingencies 6mo ago

Nice one! Added to https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup https://github.com/globalcitizen/taoup

titaniumtown 6mo ago
What does that project have to do with the above comment?
- contingencies 6mo ago
  Did you read the page? It's a long-running manual project to document interesting quotes a good portion of which are from HN, with a vague focus on philosophy of design and the modern human condition. You can run it as a fortune-like program at login: brain food upon opening a terminal is a unix tradition dating from 1979. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(Unix) Here's a few randoms to give you a sense: In a few years, men will be able to communicate more effectively through a machine than face to face. - J.C.R. Licklider and R. W. Taylor (1968) Optimization: Prototype before polishing. Get it working before you optimize it. - Eric S. Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming (2003) The benefit of using [a formal specification language] is that it teaches you to think rigorously, to think precisely, and the important point is the precise thinking. So what you need to avoid at all costs is any language that's all syntax and no semantics. - Leslie Lamport The only function of what we do, of art or of anything, is to give voice to the unspoken: to give it a form that it's never been perceived in before. We can't change the evolution of history or gentrification, you can't stop it but at least you can say "look what you're losing". All we can do is give an image to an idea. - Chris Doyle The most important thing about power is to make sure you don't have to use it. - Edwin Land, founder of Polaroid

nephihaha 6mo ago

This is the rewilding narrative. It's essentially misanthropic and benefits the rich and government agencies. In response, people are supposed to be shoved into cities and out of the countryside. We should be looking at ways that cities and suburban areas can be made more friendly to wildlife (other than the likes of pigeon, mice and rats etc) Humanity's future is co-operation with nature, not creating massive safari parks for rich people and quangos. Even at somewhere like the Chernobyl exclusion zone it is obvious that nature has not fully reverted to its previous state, since it contends with human artefacts and contamination at every step.

watwut 6mo ago
> In response, people are supposed to be shoved into cities and out of the countryside. Both Ukraine and Russia have plenty of rural landscape. Neither government is trying to shove people into cities against their own will. Occasionally villages try to attract younger people, but those dont really wanna. (But in both countries, urban people rarely move to villages due to lack of employment opportunities and do move to cities to get jobs.)
- nephihaha 6mo ago
  Most of Russia is actually uninhabitable due to climate — cold or aridity. Outside Europe Russians are mostly found along the Trans-Siberian corridor and a few other pockets such as Norilsk, Lake Baikal and some river basins. Norilsk itself is an anomaly and is harsh even today.
mapt 6mo ago
At this stage rewilding is a matter of establishing lifeboats for what little remains before it completely disappears, not wiping the landscape clean. You can't put the full measure of ecological complexity into a small cage in a zoo.
- nephihaha 6mo ago
  There are actually vast swathes of territory with very little human population. There is an entire continent which is almost completely inhabited apart from a few bases. Same with most of the Sahara and other such deserts. Or much of the larger mountain ranges. The world's population is not evenly distributed, and is mostly coastal even today. Even Asia, the most heavily populated continent has thousands of square miles with barely anyone in it. We've already had some "rewilding" in Scotland and it was called the Highland Clearances. It resulted in the almost wholesale destruction of Gaelic culture, and most of the region's people losing their homes. Now we have billionaires and aristocrats who want to finish that process.