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> I don't see how that's possible, but maybe I'm thinking too myopically. you are thinking too myopically. We have people who can still do maths well after th
by chii 6mo ago
> I don't see how that's possible, but maybe I'm thinking too myopically.
you are thinking too myopically.
We have people who can still do maths well after the introduction of the calculator. We have people who can still spell after the introduction of spell check.
The junior only need to train without using AI to gain the skills needed - that's called education. If they choose to rely on AI solely, and gimp their own education, that's on them.
- krilcebre 6mo agoYes but currently I don't know of a single company in my area that doesn't make you use AI daily because of the supposedly increased productivity. That means that juniors also absolutely have to use AI, probably sabotaging their learning process in the long run.
- deafpolygon 6mo ago> We have people who can still do maths well after the introduction of the calculator. Arithmetics is a very, very small subset of math.
- fainpul 6mo ago> We have people who can still do maths well after the introduction of the calculator. I assume by "do maths" you mean doing simple calculations, like adding a bunch of small numbers, in one's head. That's because in many situations it's more convenient to do so, than using a calculator. So the skill is preserved / practiced, because a calculator is too cumbersome to use. The skills of most people settle at the equilibrium where it takes the same effort to take out the calculator and focus on typing, as it would to strain the brain doing it without a calculator. > We have people who can still spell after the introduction of spell check. When using spell check to fix your document, you automatically learn to spell. Your skills improve by using the tool. A better analogy to AI would be an email client with a "Fix all and send"-button, where you never look at the output of the spell checker.
- rimliu 6mo agoNo. These tools are very good at creating illusion of learning, without any learning. When you watch them do stuff, you think, yeah I got this. Once they are gone, you realize all your supposed skill is gone too. Getting a skill requires deliberate practice. You can use AI for that, but just using AI is not that.
- californical 6mo agoWhy no? It sounds like you agree with the person you replied to
- prerok 6mo agoThere's an old Latin proverb "Scribere bis legere", which translates to "writing is reading twice". In practice, what this means is that you can read some subject many times, but you would still struggle to reproduce the content by yourself. That is why, when learning, it is not sufficient to just read the material several times.
- ekeke 6mo agoSpot on there’s an easy test. Ask said person who learned something to describe it back to you in their own words. Then watch them fumble :) The second test is - explain it in such simple terms that someone who has barely any knowledge of it can understand it.
- graydsl 6mo agoI would also argue, that most school system forbid the usage of a calculator the first couple of years (at least that's how it was Germany a few decades ago). The same with writing per hand. You can spell check by looking the word up and then manually correcting it. Both require manual "labor" which leads to learning.
- hirako2000 6mo agoAnd calculators took decades to become widespread. So we could learn of their side effects before they became mainstream. Also to note. Calculators merely solve intermediary steps. LLMs are increasingly designed to do a one shot full blown work. Longer context, deep thinking, agentic loops.
- kusokurae 6mo agoWhy is it always so consistently a comparison to a technology of a fundamentally different order? Perhaps what has been lost is the ability to recognise distinct and incommensurable categories.
- xorcist 6mo agoThose are inappropriate examples because they are all deterministic. The whole reason behind the AI movement is the move from deterministic processes, and exact descriptions, to handwavy descriptions and stochastic processes. Of course there are people who do maths after the introduction of the calculator Just like there are more people who program after the introduction of the electronic computer.
- nunez 6mo agoWe also have people who need a tip calculator to calculate 20% of a check and people who can't spell without spell check.
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- kjkjadksj 6mo agoIt is kind of embarrasing but I feel worse at arithmetic than I ever was thanks to calculator reliance. I used to be able to do all sorts of complicated division and multiplication in my head. Exponents, whatever. Now it is like I have a disability. I feel like a first grader. What is 6738 / 37? I got to reach for a calculator now but in 6th grade that would have been a moment with a scrap of paper. Not sure I can even do long division on paper anymore. I can’t be alone with this.