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That's complete nonsense, considering plants sense damage, but do not feel pain the way humans do. Animals are in large part conscious as they have a brain capa
by OutOfHere 6mo ago
That's complete nonsense, considering plants sense damage, but do not feel pain the way humans do. Animals are in large part conscious as they have a brain capable of consciousness. You cannot excuse your way out of eating animals just because plants also sense things. As for fungi, they may have a memory, but they are closer to bacteria than to plants.
- nradov 6mo ago[flagged]
- glenstein 6mo agoWhy doesn't pain matter? It's almost the canonical example of a valenced state that practically any moral theory is tasked with making sense of on moral terms.
- nradov 6mo agoIt's just neural impulses. So what. Why should we care? Plants have different but equivalent mechanisms. Moral theory is bullshit. It's just made up.
- OutOfHere 6mo agoYou are not making any sense, and literally won't understand if you never got beat-up physically in life, perhaps as a kid, and preferably more than once. One has to experience pain first-hand to empathize with it. You must have lived an extremely sheltered life for this to not happen to you, and so you don't understand. Your nihilism doesn't relate with people. Yes, plants react functionally to damage, but in no way has any shred of consciousness been demonstrated in plants. You are just out to seek any excuse necessary to kill animals and perhaps humans too, with no difference.
- nradov 6mo agoYou are not making any sense. Perhaps consciousness hasn't been demonstrated in plants because we don't have the correct definition of consciousness or are looking for the wrong things. Why do you have this arbitrary bias towards animals? Perhaps it's time to re-examine your fundamental assumptions.
- glenstein 6mo agoPlants most definitely do not have different but equivalent mechanisms. They don't have subjectivity. Moral theory is about, among other things, explaining the meaning of moral behavior and language as it manifests in real people, and well-being is just as real as health. At least it is on moral realism which is a perfectly mainstream view in moral philosophy.
- pazimzadeh 6mo ago> fungi, they may have a memory, but they are closer to bacteria than to plants ????? Fungi are closer to animals than plants or bacteria
- OutOfHere 6mo agoI mean only from a pain and consciousness pov.
- pazimzadeh 6mo agoAnd you’re basing this on what?
- OutOfHere 6mo agoWhat do you mean -- are you asserting that fungi are conscious or feel pain?
- pazimzadeh 6mo agoI’m not asserting anything, I’m asking how you know what you’re claiming