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No, AI is not creating that group of people. They already existed. They were the people who would google for StackOverflow snippets and copy+paste them without

No, AI is not creating that group of people. They already existed. They were the people who would google for StackOverflow snippets and copy+paste them without even reading the entire snippet, much less understand them. Same people, new tool.

clutter55561 6mo ago
Exactly what I posted as well!
koshyjohn 6mo ago
100% agree. The key difference now though is that it's no longer 'swim or sink immediately' situation - which used to be a forcing function against intellectual laziness where it was a choice.
traderj0e 6mo ago
Many people by now have probably seen a teammate who used to be a good SWE, now spamming slop code that puts all the real work on the reviewer. That's the "second group."
- therealdrag0 6mo ago
  Tell them no. Thats what I do. I have rejected multiple PRs that were too large and lacked proper design or alignment upfront. With code being so cheap, rejecting it should be just as cheaper. Set cultural standards that devs need to review their code before asking for reviews. Etc etc
  - Kiro 6mo ago
    I don't think it has the effect you think it has. No-one takes a rejection personally anymore since it's so easy to just tell an AI to fix the comments. So a rejection does not make them rethink like it would have back in the day.
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      Even back in the day, code review was often more of a helping exercise than gatekeeping. You can only gatekeep so much before they find someone who doesn't. Which is actually a good thing because a lot of people are pedantic about code in ways that also contradict other reviewers, but in my case I just want it to not do clearly wrong things.
    - therealdrag0 6mo ago
      I don’t just reject it. I talk to them like a human and peer and tell them what to do better. Of course this has to be done by people with seniority who are respected. If you don’t have that you’re in a loosing battle.
chii 6mo ago
> Same people, new tool. the tool works better than stackoverflow, and i expect it eventually will improve enough that such people become as "productive" as the intelligent and conscientious engineer today.
- white_dragon88 6mo ago
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tgv 6mo ago
Do you use AI? For what?

clutter55561 6mo ago

Exactly what I posted as well!

koshyjohn 6mo ago

100% agree. The key difference now though is that it's no longer 'swim or sink immediately' situation - which used to be a forcing function against intellectual laziness where it was a choice.

traderj0e 6mo ago

Many people by now have probably seen a teammate who used to be a good SWE, now spamming slop code that puts all the real work on the reviewer. That's the "second group."

therealdrag0 6mo ago
Tell them no. Thats what I do. I have rejected multiple PRs that were too large and lacked proper design or alignment upfront. With code being so cheap, rejecting it should be just as cheaper. Set cultural standards that devs need to review their code before asking for reviews. Etc etc
- Kiro 6mo ago
  I don't think it has the effect you think it has. No-one takes a rejection personally anymore since it's so easy to just tell an AI to fix the comments. So a rejection does not make them rethink like it would have back in the day.
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    Even back in the day, code review was often more of a helping exercise than gatekeeping. You can only gatekeep so much before they find someone who doesn't. Which is actually a good thing because a lot of people are pedantic about code in ways that also contradict other reviewers, but in my case I just want it to not do clearly wrong things.
  - therealdrag0 6mo ago
    I don’t just reject it. I talk to them like a human and peer and tell them what to do better. Of course this has to be done by people with seniority who are respected. If you don’t have that you’re in a loosing battle.

chii 6mo ago

> Same people, new tool. the tool works better than stackoverflow, and i expect it eventually will improve enough that such people become as "productive" as the intelligent and conscientious engineer today.

white_dragon88 6mo ago
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tgv 6mo ago

Do you use AI? For what?