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Dillo Browser Release 3.3.0

196 points by rodarima 5mo ago

elch 5mo ago
It’s a shame that in my case trying to use Dillo here (HN) keeps returning 429, something that doesn’t happen with "full‑size" browsers (JS?).
- rodarima 5mo ago
  There are no special rules against modern browsers. Can you reproduce it systematically?, if so, any chances you can paste the HTTP headers? In any case, apart from our cgit instance we have mirrors in Codeberg and SourceHut: - https://git.dillo-browser.org/dillo/ https://git.dillo-browser.org/dillo/ - https://codeberg.org/dillo/dillo https://codeberg.org/dillo/dillo - https://git.sr.ht/~dillo/dillo https://git.sr.ht/~dillo/dillo
  - elch 5mo ago
    I meant browsing HN with Dillo. And it is not Dillo's fault. Other not "mainstream" browsers have the same problem.
    - rodarima 5mo ago
      Ahh, I see. Yes, I also see it sometimes, for those cases the "Mimic Chrome" workaround usually fixes it. I assume is a side effect of abusive crawlers compounded with Dillo headers not being very common.
      - elch 5mo ago
        Very possible. I was too lazy to investigate. BTW Thanks for all fixes, especially this one https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/ https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/. Dillo (3.2.0) crashed quite often on my system because of this bug. I hope I will compile and test the new release soon.
    - nicoburns 5mo ago
      I can browse HN fine with both Servo [0] and Blitz [1] (the latter of which is no-JS like Dillo). So I think there might be something Dillo-specific going on here. [0]: https://github.com/servo/servo/ https://github.com/servo/servo/ [1]: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/ https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/
jmclnx 5mo ago
I use dillo a lot, congratulations! With these age verification laws and depending upon what Firefox does, dillo could very well be the go-to browser on Linux and BSD. If these laws hit us and Firefox adds logic to verify one's age, I will be 100% dillo.
- shevy-java 5mo ago
  Understandable but I think the age sniffing laws are much more profound. It's fascinating to see how quickly all countries succumb to them right now. People may not believe it right now, but I think anonymously browsing the www will be a thing of the past in some years. People should see the concomitant attacks on VPNs - this is all concerted, not "isolated accidents". We need to make the flow of money obvious - I am fed up of being controlled by lobbyists.
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userbinator 5mo ago
Unfortunately even Google started requiring JS, which was a huge attack against small browsers and the open web.
- shevy-java 5mo ago
  Google at this point kind of controls the www. Now, strictly speaking that statement is not true, but it now feels as if Google sits in so many areas that are important for the www; chrome is just the most obvious one.
- nicoburns 5mo ago
  Yep, https://html.duckduckgo.com https://html.duckduckgo.com works well in such browser though :)
  - ksymph 5mo ago
    Also check out http://frogfind.com/ http://frogfind.com/, it automatically converts results into basic HTML.
- rodarima 5mo ago
  The Google index is still accessible from many other "proxy search engines" that still work without JS, one example is Startpage. See the nice list from Seirdy for more details on search engines: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/ https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...
  - userbinator 5mo ago
    First thing I see when I try to visit Startpage, for probably the first time ever, is "Our system has detected the type of high-volume traffic coming from your internet connection that is normally associated with bots and scrapers." WTF. Total BULLSHIT. I have accessed that site precisely ZERO times from this IP. Now it will be one, and the last time I ever try.
- childintime 5mo ago
shevy-java 5mo ago
Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name? I know people have somewhat related thoughts about the image editor called GIMP.
- johnwheeler 5mo ago
  Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, kind of an unfortunate name. Why? It makes you think of a DILD*. Then you have to remind yourself, they probably mean armadillo.
  - tpoacher 5mo ago
    not to be confused with armadildo, naturally
- userbinator 5mo ago
  They missed a great opportunity to name the "Control via UNIX socket" section "Teledillonics".
- bentley 5mo ago
  > Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name? Oh, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I too am reminded of Tom Bombadil’s song from The Fellowship of the Ring every time Dillo is mentioned. Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
leoalejob 5mo ago
that's cool!
pureagave 5mo ago
i totally misread the title of this post. What is wrong with me?
- tmtvl 5mo ago
  Dildo Browser sounds like the name of a website aggregating sex toy store products. Could be interesting to build if it doesn't exist yet. Maybe add features like showing where a given product is available at the lowest price, product comparisons, and user reviews.
oomuinio 5mo ago
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anthk 5mo ago
dilloc began before the 3.3.0 release, in some previous git commits and it was amazing. It's pretty easy to write a redirect menu item calling a script similar to a plumber/xdg-open replacing the JS url's with non JS ones, a la Libredirect under Firefox/Chromium.
marttt 5mo ago
Is there a current and pre-compiled Windows port for Dillo somewhere?
bandie91 5mo ago
i already mentioned it in other Dillo-related posts, but i can not repeat enough: Dillo was the browser enabled me to view the web at all on my first old 486 PC, packed in Damn Small Linux.
sylware 5mo ago
Sad dillo is c++, I would have compiled it with a small and alternative plain and simple C compiler like cproc/qbe or tinycc. That said, there is a signal about coding AI able to do a really good job at assisting to port c++ to plain and simple C en masse.
- aninteger 5mo ago
  I did attempt this with whatever was state of the art (SOTA) about 6 months ago for my own C++ and was disappointed. It's just not there yet.
  - sylware 5mo ago
    :( So that signal is that good. Back to manual c++ to simple and plain C porting then.
blippage 5mo ago
A huge thank-you to the dev(s)! I love retro projects like this. I use Dillo daily, although it is for internal use. One thing I use it for is to view gemini protocol sites. The plug-in architecture means that you can render any protocol; gopher and gemini amongst others. It's so lightweight!
butz 5mo ago
While Mastodon client ain't working either, at least there is an alternative available: https://codeberg.org/adele/smolfedi https://codeberg.org/adele/smolfedi
atlasagentsuite 5mo ago
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196 points by rodarima 5mo ago

elch 5mo ago

It’s a shame that in my case trying to use Dillo here (HN) keeps returning 429, something that doesn’t happen with "full‑size" browsers (JS?).

rodarima 5mo ago
There are no special rules against modern browsers. Can you reproduce it systematically?, if so, any chances you can paste the HTTP headers? In any case, apart from our cgit instance we have mirrors in Codeberg and SourceHut: - https://git.dillo-browser.org/dillo/ https://git.dillo-browser.org/dillo/ - https://codeberg.org/dillo/dillo https://codeberg.org/dillo/dillo - https://git.sr.ht/~dillo/dillo https://git.sr.ht/~dillo/dillo
- elch 5mo ago
  I meant browsing HN with Dillo. And it is not Dillo's fault. Other not "mainstream" browsers have the same problem.
  - rodarima 5mo ago
    Ahh, I see. Yes, I also see it sometimes, for those cases the "Mimic Chrome" workaround usually fixes it. I assume is a side effect of abusive crawlers compounded with Dillo headers not being very common.
    - elch 5mo ago
      Very possible. I was too lazy to investigate. BTW Thanks for all fixes, especially this one https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/ https://bug.dillo-browser.org/511/. Dillo (3.2.0) crashed quite often on my system because of this bug. I hope I will compile and test the new release soon.
  - nicoburns 5mo ago
    I can browse HN fine with both Servo [0] and Blitz [1] (the latter of which is no-JS like Dillo). So I think there might be something Dillo-specific going on here. [0]: https://github.com/servo/servo/ https://github.com/servo/servo/ [1]: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/ https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/

jmclnx 5mo ago

I use dillo a lot, congratulations! With these age verification laws and depending upon what Firefox does, dillo could very well be the go-to browser on Linux and BSD. If these laws hit us and Firefox adds logic to verify one's age, I will be 100% dillo.

shevy-java 5mo ago
Understandable but I think the age sniffing laws are much more profound. It's fascinating to see how quickly all countries succumb to them right now. People may not believe it right now, but I think anonymously browsing the www will be a thing of the past in some years. People should see the concomitant attacks on VPNs - this is all concerted, not "isolated accidents". We need to make the flow of money obvious - I am fed up of being controlled by lobbyists.

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userbinator 5mo ago

Unfortunately even Google started requiring JS, which was a huge attack against small browsers and the open web.

shevy-java 5mo ago
Google at this point kind of controls the www. Now, strictly speaking that statement is not true, but it now feels as if Google sits in so many areas that are important for the www; chrome is just the most obvious one.
nicoburns 5mo ago
Yep, https://html.duckduckgo.com https://html.duckduckgo.com works well in such browser though :)
- ksymph 5mo ago
  Also check out http://frogfind.com/ http://frogfind.com/, it automatically converts results into basic HTML.
rodarima 5mo ago
The Google index is still accessible from many other "proxy search engines" that still work without JS, one example is Startpage. See the nice list from Seirdy for more details on search engines: https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/ https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-...
- userbinator 5mo ago
  First thing I see when I try to visit Startpage, for probably the first time ever, is "Our system has detected the type of high-volume traffic coming from your internet connection that is normally associated with bots and scrapers." WTF. Total BULLSHIT. I have accessed that site precisely ZERO times from this IP. Now it will be one, and the last time I ever try.
childintime 5mo ago

shevy-java 5mo ago

Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name? I know people have somewhat related thoughts about the image editor called GIMP.

johnwheeler 5mo ago
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing, kind of an unfortunate name. Why? It makes you think of a DILD*. Then you have to remind yourself, they probably mean armadillo.
- tpoacher 5mo ago
  not to be confused with armadildo, naturally
userbinator 5mo ago
They missed a great opportunity to name the "Control via UNIX socket" section "Teledillonics".
bentley 5mo ago
> Am I the only one who has to giggle when reading that name? Oh, I know exactly what you’re talking about. I too am reminded of Tom Bombadil’s song from The Fellowship of the Ring every time Dillo is mentioned. Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow! Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!

leoalejob 5mo ago

that's cool!

pureagave 5mo ago

i totally misread the title of this post. What is wrong with me?

tmtvl 5mo ago
Dildo Browser sounds like the name of a website aggregating sex toy store products. Could be interesting to build if it doesn't exist yet. Maybe add features like showing where a given product is available at the lowest price, product comparisons, and user reviews.

oomuinio 5mo ago

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anthk 5mo ago

dilloc began before the 3.3.0 release, in some previous git commits and it was amazing. It's pretty easy to write a redirect menu item calling a script similar to a plumber/xdg-open replacing the JS url's with non JS ones, a la Libredirect under Firefox/Chromium.

marttt 5mo ago

Is there a current and pre-compiled Windows port for Dillo somewhere?

bandie91 5mo ago

i already mentioned it in other Dillo-related posts, but i can not repeat enough: Dillo was the browser enabled me to view the web at all on my first old 486 PC, packed in Damn Small Linux.

sylware 5mo ago

Sad dillo is c++, I would have compiled it with a small and alternative plain and simple C compiler like cproc/qbe or tinycc. That said, there is a signal about coding AI able to do a really good job at assisting to port c++ to plain and simple C en masse.

aninteger 5mo ago
I did attempt this with whatever was state of the art (SOTA) about 6 months ago for my own C++ and was disappointed. It's just not there yet.
- sylware 5mo ago
  :( So that signal is that good. Back to manual c++ to simple and plain C porting then.

blippage 5mo ago

A huge thank-you to the dev(s)! I love retro projects like this. I use Dillo daily, although it is for internal use. One thing I use it for is to view gemini protocol sites. The plug-in architecture means that you can render any protocol; gopher and gemini amongst others. It's so lightweight!

butz 5mo ago

While Mastodon client ain't working either, at least there is an alternative available: https://codeberg.org/adele/smolfedi https://codeberg.org/adele/smolfedi

atlasagentsuite 5mo ago

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