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Yeah, imagine if every convenience store had CCTV security filming everyone 24/7. Oh, wait...

pzo 6mo ago
they don't know necessary who are you and what are you buying. I don't think also for big shops with many customers that techonology and reliably do instance segmentation - this is not face id.
- rglullis 6mo ago
  They don't, but there is a significant chance that their "security solution" uploads all the data to a cloud provider (Amazon, Google, Oracle) which will be more than happy to analyze the data for them.
  - jonathanstrange 6mo ago
    That's possible but would be completely and highly illegal, the EU regularly fines companies violating GDPR, and those fines are not trivial at all, they can be quite hefty.
    - rglullis 6mo ago
      I was talking about the reality of the US, but even if I was talking about Europe: how does the GDPR even enter this equation here? I was never asked for consent to have my face recorded when I get into a shop in Germany. Were you?
      - ragall 6mo ago
        Security recordings fall into the category if legitimate need, and have to be deleted after a short while.
        rglullis 6mo ago
        How is that enforced?
        carlos22 6mo ago
        Its not. Especially when using US Cloud services. And people do that. Hell even government run schools us GDRP-violating software and force the students to BUY them. The law is nice, the reality is different...
        ragall 6mo ago
        It doesn't need to. Those recordings are "radioactive" and can't be used in any legitimate fashion except by intelligence agencies.
        rglullis 6mo ago
        Plenty of data brokers operating outside of the EU who wouldn't mind the "toxicity" of the data they buy.
        ragall 6mo ago
        Or, I should say, things are enforced after the fact, through the possibility of criminal charges or civil lawsuits. Enforcement doesn't mean that crime is made impossible, just that there is enough deterrent.
        rglullis 6mo ago
        Except there isn't enough deterrent. The big companies are still mining user data, they are just forced to use some extra dark patterns to trick people into compliance. Would-be criminals are not going to stop being criminals because of the threat of fines. And TLAs are not going to wait for due process to acquire access to data legally. All that GDPR does is give the illusion that people are being protected and CYA for politicians and bureaucrats when asked "what are you doing about evil Zuckerberg?"
- SiempreViernes 6mo ago
  Doesn't stop the stores from posting clips of you embarrassing yourself online and your acquaintances giving your name away for clout.
- xorcist 6mo ago
  Do you not pay for you groceries? Then the store probably has a good idea about your identity. In any case, they payment processor knows exactly who you are, and the store and anyone else who cares can buy this information online, albeit in a slightly obfuscated form. Unless you live at some place where they still accept cash of course, but the writing is on the wall already.
- xethos 6mo ago
  Sure - that's saved for Visa or Mastercard to track your purchase history across time

pzo 6mo ago

they don't know necessary who are you and what are you buying. I don't think also for big shops with many customers that techonology and reliably do instance segmentation - this is not face id.

rglullis 6mo ago
They don't, but there is a significant chance that their "security solution" uploads all the data to a cloud provider (Amazon, Google, Oracle) which will be more than happy to analyze the data for them.
- jonathanstrange 6mo ago
  That's possible but would be completely and highly illegal, the EU regularly fines companies violating GDPR, and those fines are not trivial at all, they can be quite hefty.
  - rglullis 6mo ago
    I was talking about the reality of the US, but even if I was talking about Europe: how does the GDPR even enter this equation here? I was never asked for consent to have my face recorded when I get into a shop in Germany. Were you?
    - ragall 6mo ago
      Security recordings fall into the category if legitimate need, and have to be deleted after a short while.
      - rglullis 6mo ago
        How is that enforced?
        carlos22 6mo ago
        Its not. Especially when using US Cloud services. And people do that. Hell even government run schools us GDRP-violating software and force the students to BUY them. The law is nice, the reality is different...
        ragall 6mo ago
        It doesn't need to. Those recordings are "radioactive" and can't be used in any legitimate fashion except by intelligence agencies.
        rglullis 6mo ago
        Plenty of data brokers operating outside of the EU who wouldn't mind the "toxicity" of the data they buy.
        ragall 6mo ago
        Or, I should say, things are enforced after the fact, through the possibility of criminal charges or civil lawsuits. Enforcement doesn't mean that crime is made impossible, just that there is enough deterrent.
        rglullis 6mo ago
        Except there isn't enough deterrent. The big companies are still mining user data, they are just forced to use some extra dark patterns to trick people into compliance. Would-be criminals are not going to stop being criminals because of the threat of fines. And TLAs are not going to wait for due process to acquire access to data legally. All that GDPR does is give the illusion that people are being protected and CYA for politicians and bureaucrats when asked "what are you doing about evil Zuckerberg?"
SiempreViernes 6mo ago
Doesn't stop the stores from posting clips of you embarrassing yourself online and your acquaintances giving your name away for clout.
xorcist 6mo ago
Do you not pay for you groceries? Then the store probably has a good idea about your identity. In any case, they payment processor knows exactly who you are, and the store and anyone else who cares can buy this information online, albeit in a slightly obfuscated form. Unless you live at some place where they still accept cash of course, but the writing is on the wall already.
xethos 6mo ago
Sure - that's saved for Visa or Mastercard to track your purchase history across time