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The difference you barely have to show you physical ID - mostly only when interacting with bank, signing document, government. I never got asked when buying alc
by pzo 5mo ago
The difference you barely have to show you physical ID - mostly only when interacting with bank, signing document, government. I never got asked when buying alcohol and if asked at least I would only let to have a look instead of snapping a picture.
Imagine if suddenly every grocery, pharmacy, petrol station, parking place, restaurant, bar etc. now would ask you for your ID AND would snap a picture and store in their database - you wouldn't be happy about it.
- maccard 5mo agoIf you want an example of how this will be abused by companies, https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/12/airport-shops-vat-row-boots-dixons-new-rules-boarding-pass-checks https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/12/airport-shops-...
- gib444 5mo agoAnd if you want an example of who has the power these days, I've encountered airport shops that are "take it leave it" (WHSmith in Spain in fact). I was told they can't require my boarding pass, but they won't sell me anything without it... (There was no language barrier)
- rightbyte 5mo agoIsn't that a tax thing on airports? I don't think it is the same problem.
- rglullis 5mo agoYeah, imagine if every convenience store had CCTV security filming everyone 24/7. Oh, wait...
- pzo 5mo agothey don't know necessary who are you and what are you buying. I don't think also for big shops with many customers that techonology and reliably do instance segmentation - this is not face id.
- rglullis 5mo agoThey don't, but there is a significant chance that their "security solution" uploads all the data to a cloud provider (Amazon, Google, Oracle) which will be more than happy to analyze the data for them.
- jonathanstrange 5mo agoThat's possible but would be completely and highly illegal, the EU regularly fines companies violating GDPR, and those fines are not trivial at all, they can be quite hefty.
- rglullis 5mo agoI was talking about the reality of the US, but even if I was talking about Europe: how does the GDPR even enter this equation here? I was never asked for consent to have my face recorded when I get into a shop in Germany. Were you?
- ragall 5mo agoSecurity recordings fall into the category if legitimate need, and have to be deleted after a short while.
- jeroenhd 5mo agoWhy would they? The only reasons to show ID I can think of is when watching porn or maybe when buying alcohol online, though I doubt stores will want to risk driving customers away with that.
- dwedge 5mo agoOr using social media, signing up for any account where you can post content, and soon creating an account on your own device. As for why would they, the same reason there are hundreds of tracking cookies on every site.
- throwthrowuknow 5mo agoConsider that stores create reward point systems specifically for the purpose of connecting a customer profile to purchases.
- oe 5mo agoYeah, the bigger chain stores already have most of this information. I don’t know if tying it to an actual ID would make much difference.
- vladvasiliu 5mo agoIt's pretty common to have to show some form of state-issued ID when entering bars and the like in France if the bouncer thinks you're underage. Ditto for buying alcohol. Hell, in the US I've had to go back to the hotel to grab my passport to enter a bar. My French driver's license and balding head weren't enough. But you do have a point about "storing the picture". I think that's why it's very important for whatever solution is chosen to be something that proves you're old enough without saying who you are.
- mambru 5mo agoThat's not now it works. At least in my country, the ID app lets you generate 3 levels of QR: Level 1: Just age (also shows a photo on the screen). This is what you would typically use to go in a club or buy alcohol. Level 2: Adds Full name, birth date, validity date. Level 3: All the data you can see on the physical ID card.