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Is there a known lag that it takes the Pro plan's abilities to migrate to the free plans?

brianjking 6mo ago
GPT 5.5 Pro is not available to any plan outside of ChatGPT Pro ($100 or $200) tier or the API as far as consumer access.
- jasonfarnon 6mo ago
  Yes, but don't we expect GPT 5.5 Pro will eventually be a free tier? Maybe I'm missing something because I only use the free tier. But the free tier has gotten way better over the last few years. I'm pretty sure, based on descriptions on this site from paid subscribers, that the free tier now is better than the paid tier of say 2 years ago. That's the lag I'm wondering about.
  - hyraki 6mo ago
    You should pay for it if you find value in it.
    - amazingman 6mo ago
      They pay for it with their personal data.
  - vessenes 6mo ago
    I do not think this is true. You will continue to get smaller, cheaper-to-host models in the free tier that are distilled from current and former frontier models. They will continue to improve, but I’d be very surprised if, e.g., 5.4-mini (I think this is the free tier model) beat o3 on many benchmarks, or real world use cases. I won’t even leave chatGPT on “Auto” under any circumstances - it’s vastly worse on hallucinations, sycophancy, everything, basically. Anyway, your needs may be met perfectly fine on the free tier product, but you’re using a very different product than the Pro tier gets.
  - manfromchina1 6mo ago
    Free ChatGPT is like a fast car with a barely responsive steering wheel. Guardrails on that thing are insane. Even for math. It wont let you think. It will try to fix mistakes you havent even made yet based on intent that was ascribed to you for no reason. It veers off in some crazy directions thinking that's what you meant and trying to address even a little bit of that creates almost a combinatorial explosion of even more wrong things. Is why I stick to Claude. The latter is chill and only addresses what you had typed. Isn't verbose and actually asks you what you getting at with your post. That said, ChatGPT is more technical and can easily solve math problems that stump Claude.
    - nextaccountic 6mo ago
      So this doesn't happen in the paid plans of ChatGPT? But why?
      - virgildotcodes 6mo ago
        Paid plans give you access to much larger, more intelligent models which have thinking enabled (inference time compute). In the example here you can see GPT Pro taking 20-80 minutes to respond with the proof. All this is far more expensive to serve so it’s locked away behind paid plans.
        nextaccountic 6mo ago
        > thinking enabled (inference time compute) What do you mean by compute?
        virgildotcodes 6mo ago
        I would google or use ChatGPT to a learn more about this, free version should be totally sufficient.
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vessenes 6mo ago
Do not use the free plan. It is not good.
andai 6mo ago
Tangential but I learned today that GPT-5.5 in ChatGPT (Plus) has a smaller context window than the one in the API. (Or at least it thinks it does.) I'd guess / hope the Pro one has the full context window.
- refulgentis 6mo ago
  Notably, 5.5 has a higher price on API for context > ChatGPT, and 5.5 Pro on API does not differentiate based on context size (it’s eye bleeding expensive already :)

GPT 5.5 Pro is not available to any plan outside of ChatGPT Pro ($100 or $200) tier or the API as far as consumer access.

jasonfarnon 6mo ago
Yes, but don't we expect GPT 5.5 Pro will eventually be a free tier? Maybe I'm missing something because I only use the free tier. But the free tier has gotten way better over the last few years. I'm pretty sure, based on descriptions on this site from paid subscribers, that the free tier now is better than the paid tier of say 2 years ago. That's the lag I'm wondering about.
- hyraki 6mo ago
  You should pay for it if you find value in it.
  - amazingman 6mo ago
    They pay for it with their personal data.
- vessenes 6mo ago
  I do not think this is true. You will continue to get smaller, cheaper-to-host models in the free tier that are distilled from current and former frontier models. They will continue to improve, but I’d be very surprised if, e.g., 5.4-mini (I think this is the free tier model) beat o3 on many benchmarks, or real world use cases. I won’t even leave chatGPT on “Auto” under any circumstances - it’s vastly worse on hallucinations, sycophancy, everything, basically. Anyway, your needs may be met perfectly fine on the free tier product, but you’re using a very different product than the Pro tier gets.
- manfromchina1 6mo ago
  Free ChatGPT is like a fast car with a barely responsive steering wheel. Guardrails on that thing are insane. Even for math. It wont let you think. It will try to fix mistakes you havent even made yet based on intent that was ascribed to you for no reason. It veers off in some crazy directions thinking that's what you meant and trying to address even a little bit of that creates almost a combinatorial explosion of even more wrong things. Is why I stick to Claude. The latter is chill and only addresses what you had typed. Isn't verbose and actually asks you what you getting at with your post. That said, ChatGPT is more technical and can easily solve math problems that stump Claude.
  - nextaccountic 6mo ago
    So this doesn't happen in the paid plans of ChatGPT? But why?
    - virgildotcodes 6mo ago
      Paid plans give you access to much larger, more intelligent models which have thinking enabled (inference time compute). In the example here you can see GPT Pro taking 20-80 minutes to respond with the proof. All this is far more expensive to serve so it’s locked away behind paid plans.
      - nextaccountic 6mo ago
        > thinking enabled (inference time compute) What do you mean by compute?
        virgildotcodes 6mo ago
        I would google or use ChatGPT to a learn more about this, free version should be totally sufficient.
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vessenes 6mo ago

Do not use the free plan. It is not good.

andai 6mo ago

Tangential but I learned today that GPT-5.5 in ChatGPT (Plus) has a smaller context window than the one in the API. (Or at least it thinks it does.) I'd guess / hope the Pro one has the full context window.

refulgentis 6mo ago
Notably, 5.5 has a higher price on API for context > ChatGPT, and 5.5 Pro on API does not differentiate based on context size (it’s eye bleeding expensive already :)