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Why do you ask? Do you assume those fired NSF workers want to go work in China now? Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better and accepts peo

Why do you ask? Do you assume those fired NSF workers want to go work in China now? Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology?

throwaway27448 6mo ago
Most people in china are not members of the CPC. And yes, they clearly are more competent.
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
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  - XorNot 6mo ago
    "but China is worse!" is an excuse wearing well past paper thin at this point.
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      Except I never said that. Learn to read please.
  - gverrilla 6mo ago
    > The country has a social credit score Fake news.
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      GO read and inform yourself.
  - solid_fuel 6mo ago
    > The country has a social credit score Yeah that is concerning. Glad the US doesn't have any sort of credit scoring system that might make it hard to get out of poverty. That would be really scary. Imagine if you had to pass a credit check to get an apartment!
    - joe_mamba 6mo ago
      Needless whataboutism to move offtopic.
      - solid_fuel 6mo ago
        You're the one who brought up the "social credit score" in a conversation about moving from America to China. The fact that America already has a credit system which locks people out of financial access in the same way is very relevant to the topic, not "needless whataboutism".
Spooky23 6mo ago
Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. The dismantling of everything to maximize executive power in order to maximize grift and corruption will have effects for decades. This is the American version of the cultural revolution. We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.
- throwworhtthrow 6mo ago
  > Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. Devil's advocate: Only productivity gains, not the entire economy, are built on scientific advancement. But wages haven't grown with productivity in half a century, so the loss of scientific advantage won't affect wage growth, therefore the economy will be fine. (I know it's not convincing, but it's the best I can conjure.)
  - datsci_est_2015 6mo ago
    Seems like your advocacy of the devil still supports the parent comment’s speculation of this being a cultural revolution appealing to workers who have been “left behind” (e.g. coal miners who didn’t learn how to code).
- joe_mamba 6mo ago
  >We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists. What?! Who's doing that? Plumbers and scientists are not interchangeable cogs. Big brain scientist won't make good plumbers and plumbers won't make good scientists. And plus, so what if they would be doing it? Why do you make it sound like being a plumber is like being a leper somehow? The world needs plumbers too and they make a pretty penny. See that US warship that wasn't combat effective anymore because the shitters broke. You can't win a war with starbucks sipping scientists, you still need roughnecks willing to get their hands dirty, fight, build and fix things.
  - Spooky23 6mo ago
    Maybe you’ve been in a coma, but there’s this dude in the White House that has imploded science funding. We’ve probably displaced a quarter million people directly, and universities are attriting more as foreign students aren’t coming. The copium offered is “go become a tradesman”. It’s just pandering nonsense offered to keep smug old people living in 1970 in line.
fc417fc802 6mo ago
I would tend to assume that the people overseeing the NSF are accomplished scientists. China has been more than happy to recruit those for at least the past couple decades. That said, I doubt this move negatively impacts their careers so I don't expect this alone would motivate any of them to leave the country. Other things might though. > Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better Prior to Trump probably yes. Post Trump almost certainly. > and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology? Obviously not. But why are you assuming that those removed from their posts were vocal critics of the CCP?

Why do you ask? Do you assume those fired NSF workers want to go work in China now? Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology?

throwaway27448 6mo ago

Most people in china are not members of the CPC. And yes, they clearly are more competent.

joe_mamba 6mo ago
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- XorNot 6mo ago
  "but China is worse!" is an excuse wearing well past paper thin at this point.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    Except I never said that. Learn to read please.
- gverrilla 6mo ago
  > The country has a social credit score Fake news.
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    GO read and inform yourself.
- solid_fuel 6mo ago
  > The country has a social credit score Yeah that is concerning. Glad the US doesn't have any sort of credit scoring system that might make it hard to get out of poverty. That would be really scary. Imagine if you had to pass a credit check to get an apartment!
  - joe_mamba 6mo ago
    Needless whataboutism to move offtopic.
    - solid_fuel 6mo ago
      You're the one who brought up the "social credit score" in a conversation about moving from America to China. The fact that America already has a credit system which locks people out of financial access in the same way is very relevant to the topic, not "needless whataboutism".

Spooky23 6mo ago

Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. The dismantling of everything to maximize executive power in order to maximize grift and corruption will have effects for decades. This is the American version of the cultural revolution. We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists.

throwworhtthrow 6mo ago
> Our entire economy is built on scientific advancement and advantage. Devil's advocate: Only productivity gains, not the entire economy, are built on scientific advancement. But wages haven't grown with productivity in half a century, so the loss of scientific advantage won't affect wage growth, therefore the economy will be fine. (I know it's not convincing, but it's the best I can conjure.)
- datsci_est_2015 6mo ago
  Seems like your advocacy of the devil still supports the parent comment’s speculation of this being a cultural revolution appealing to workers who have been “left behind” (e.g. coal miners who didn’t learn how to code).
joe_mamba 6mo ago
>We’re pushing people to be plumbers instead of scientists. What?! Who's doing that? Plumbers and scientists are not interchangeable cogs. Big brain scientist won't make good plumbers and plumbers won't make good scientists. And plus, so what if they would be doing it? Why do you make it sound like being a plumber is like being a leper somehow? The world needs plumbers too and they make a pretty penny. See that US warship that wasn't combat effective anymore because the shitters broke. You can't win a war with starbucks sipping scientists, you still need roughnecks willing to get their hands dirty, fight, build and fix things.
- Spooky23 6mo ago
  Maybe you’ve been in a coma, but there’s this dude in the White House that has imploded science funding. We’ve probably displaced a quarter million people directly, and universities are attriting more as foreign students aren’t coming. The copium offered is “go become a tradesman”. It’s just pandering nonsense offered to keep smug old people living in 1970 in line.

fc417fc802 6mo ago

I would tend to assume that the people overseeing the NSF are accomplished scientists. China has been more than happy to recruit those for at least the past couple decades. That said, I doubt this move negatively impacts their careers so I don't expect this alone would motivate any of them to leave the country. Other things might though. > Or that China manages its domestic variant of the NSF better Prior to Trump probably yes. Post Trump almost certainly. > and accepts people critical of the CCP ideology? Obviously not. But why are you assuming that those removed from their posts were vocal critics of the CCP?