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> I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. My last hope is ladybird right now, I don't

> I'd be genuinely curious what you could switch to that still has MV2 because, AFAIK, Firefox is the last holdout. My last hope is ladybird right now, I don't use Firefox or Chrome as my main browsers anymore, and use them only within temporary sandboxes. Without history, without cookies, without logins for the most part.

pogue 6mo ago
You use ladybird as your primary web browser? And it works?
- cookiengineer 6mo ago
  For the most part, it doesn't. It's not a consumer ready browser, but a pretty nice little rendering engine. If you use ladybird as bindings, it's a bit unstable right now because they are refactoring a lot of parts in the codebase. I built my own tools on top of it, mostly to use internet websites and selfhosted kiwix archives with my local agentic env. I guess what I am saying is that I don't have a primary browser anymore. Not a browser where I just can trust it that it doesn't do shit with my data. Being able to selfhost kiwix is a superb internet experience if you build your own search dashboard for it, I can fully recommend it. Have to merge my things upstream with ZIMdex when I have the time (probably around June). [1] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp [2] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex
  - tgv 6mo ago
    It seems to me that --unless you really, strictly compartimentalize your browser usage--, using multiple browsers will only supply your data to more parties.
el_io 6mo ago
Ladybird supports MV2? I had no idea they have extensions.
- laserbeam 6mo ago
  Ladybird is many years away from being usable by a casual human. The hope is it turns out to be a great browser eventually.
Zardoz84 6mo ago
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- cookiengineer 6mo ago
  > Good luck with the main developer being in the alt right. Sources? I can't find anything on that via google/ddg (Germany) edit: oof. [1] https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/ https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/
  - imtringued 6mo ago
    Isn't this blog post more evidence that drewdevault became an extreme leftist? I mean he's basically going off a checklist of leftist stereotypes here and trying to check as many of them as possible. Meanwhile the other guy he's criticising is literally just a standard right-wing conservative, not far right, not alt right, just the regular kind. The far right I've seen is basically beyond the idea of being merely anti-immigration, they demand ICE style mass deportations immediately and in every country. If both of them met in a bar through sheer coincidence, I'd expect drewdevault to start the fight.
    - HauntingPin 6mo ago
      Sorry, but painting these people as "standard right-wing" is just evidence for the shifting of the Overton window further to the right. White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing". Charlie Kirk was for mass deportation. He didn't even hide it. He said it openly. How do you come off saying that these people aren't far-right or alt-right when they are unabashedly so?
      - krapp 6mo ago
        >White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing". It is now. That's what the shifting of the Overton Window and normalization of right-wing ideology does. These aren't fringe beliefs anymore, they're commonly held, mainstream right-wing views. They're policy within the US government. Charlie Kirk was treated as a martyr and a hero by the administration. He was treated with more dignity and respect than war veterans. The DHS posts memes about mass deportation. The "far right" and "alt-right" no longer exist. Those labels are no longer useful and no longer describe reality.

pogue 6mo ago

You use ladybird as your primary web browser? And it works?

cookiengineer 6mo ago
For the most part, it doesn't. It's not a consumer ready browser, but a pretty nice little rendering engine. If you use ladybird as bindings, it's a bit unstable right now because they are refactoring a lot of parts in the codebase. I built my own tools on top of it, mostly to use internet websites and selfhosted kiwix archives with my local agentic env. I guess what I am saying is that I don't have a primary browser anymore. Not a browser where I just can trust it that it doesn't do shit with my data. Being able to selfhost kiwix is a superb internet experience if you build your own search dashboard for it, I can fully recommend it. Have to merge my things upstream with ZIMdex when I have the time (probably around June). [1] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp https://github.com/cookiengineer/exocomp [2] WIP https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex https://github.com/cookiengineer/zimdex
- tgv 6mo ago
  It seems to me that --unless you really, strictly compartimentalize your browser usage--, using multiple browsers will only supply your data to more parties.

el_io 6mo ago

Ladybird supports MV2? I had no idea they have extensions.

laserbeam 6mo ago
Ladybird is many years away from being usable by a casual human. The hope is it turns out to be a great browser eventually.

Zardoz84 6mo ago

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cookiengineer 6mo ago
> Good luck with the main developer being in the alt right. Sources? I can't find anything on that via google/ddg (Germany) edit: oof. [1] https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/ https://drewdevault.com/blog/Cloudflare-and-fascists/
- imtringued 6mo ago
  Isn't this blog post more evidence that drewdevault became an extreme leftist? I mean he's basically going off a checklist of leftist stereotypes here and trying to check as many of them as possible. Meanwhile the other guy he's criticising is literally just a standard right-wing conservative, not far right, not alt right, just the regular kind. The far right I've seen is basically beyond the idea of being merely anti-immigration, they demand ICE style mass deportations immediately and in every country. If both of them met in a bar through sheer coincidence, I'd expect drewdevault to start the fight.
  - HauntingPin 6mo ago
    Sorry, but painting these people as "standard right-wing" is just evidence for the shifting of the Overton window further to the right. White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing". Charlie Kirk was for mass deportation. He didn't even hide it. He said it openly. How do you come off saying that these people aren't far-right or alt-right when they are unabashedly so?
    - krapp 6mo ago
      >White replacement theory and expressing support for an alt-right ideologue who manipulated people with bad faith, dishonest and downright monstrous arguments is not "standard right-wing". It is now. That's what the shifting of the Overton Window and normalization of right-wing ideology does. These aren't fringe beliefs anymore, they're commonly held, mainstream right-wing views. They're policy within the US government. Charlie Kirk was treated as a martyr and a hero by the administration. He was treated with more dignity and respect than war veterans. The DHS posts memes about mass deportation. The "far right" and "alt-right" no longer exist. Those labels are no longer useful and no longer describe reality.