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No. There is no moral equivalence with totalitarianism.
by FuckButtons 5mo ago
No. There is no moral equivalence with totalitarianism.
- ywvcbk 5mo agoModern China isn't exactly totalitarian though and US is rapidly converging with China in that regard anyway.
- bwv848 5mo agoHow totalitarian is exactly totalitarian? I asked chatgpt and it gave few points - Control goes beyond politics - A single, all-encompassing ideology - No meaningful private sphere - Mass mobilization and propaganda - Extensive surveillance and repression Seems like China is ticking all the boxes.
- drcongo 5mo agoHonestly thought you were listing traits that the US has now till the last line.
- bwv848 5mo agoReally laugh my ass off, so much whataboutism and American centrism when the debate is whether China is trustworthy on AI. Given your ignorance you should go and do your research, but I will help you a bit here. - Control goes beyond politics state corporation monopoly, 党支部 in private sector, crackdowns on NGOs and charities. - A single, all-encompassing ideology Party led, mandarin speaking Han Chinese nationalism, blended with Little Pink's unquestionable support for Xi and the party. - No meaningful private sphere 社区网格员 - Mass mobilization and propaganda We saw mobilizations on Chinese social media, attacking celebrities who don't openly say anything the party wants them to say. Mobilization in real life is rare though, cos it had shown it can backfire. - Extensive surveillance and repression Do I really need to explain this?
- drcongo 5mo agoWhich comment was this supposed to be a reply to?
- Levitz 5mo agoIn what universe does the US not have "meaningful private sphere"?
- AntiUSAbah 5mo agoMeta, Google and co control all your private data. GDPR is a european thing not an american or chinese thing. CIA/FBI have their own massive data centers (see snowden) inkl. their own older bigger palantr style software. Elon Musk was able to connect a Starlink server to your data and no one cared. He and his Duche aeh sry doge baby boys were able to access and download all Social Security Numbers. If someone knows were Putin and all the other world leaders are at any given moment, I would bet its USA first than China if even because i don't think China cares that much about it than USA does. And everyone out of scope of this, lives probably in some rural USA town were no one cares for you at all anyway, but thats the same thing as in China.
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo ago> No meaningful private sphere Have you ever been to China? Everyone has their own private lives. It's no different than any other country in that respect. In China, you rarely interact with the government in daily life. Most people are just living their lives.
- MetaWhirledPeas 5mo agoYou forgot - No freedom of religion
- MetaWhirledPeas 5mo agoDear flagger, did I say something incorrect?
- odiroot 5mo agoJust as long as you don't openly mention the "three Ts".
- Hamuko 5mo agoWhich are the current nontotalitarian superpowers?
- vrganj 5mo agoEU
- NicoJuicy 5mo agoThat's also the current US administration. Luckily laws still stand somewhat. ( And Trump ain't smart enough)
- fragmede 5mo agoTrump's smarter than he lets on. He plays the buffoon in public, but he's smart enough to have gotten elected twice. Which is two times more than I've managed to.
- ziml77 5mo agoYou don't have to be smart to be elected. You have to be a good liar. And it's really easy to be a good liar when you have gotten so deep into bullshitting that you believe your own lies. Also, being useful to the right people helps. Because they will dump their own money and time into bolstering your campaign.
- NicoJuicy 5mo agoBased on what is he smart? Every objective datapoint says he's an idiot that fails upwards. The only thing he was successful in, was literally exaggerating and overselling his capabilities ( eg. He directed the apprentice, it's fake)
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo agoChina is not totalitarian. Many people believe that China is still like 1950s-60s-era Maoist China, but it's just not.
- FuckButtons 5mo agotiananmen square was in 1989. Hong Kong was snuffed out like a light. Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses. You do not need to look back at the cultural revolution to see the prc for what it is.
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo agoIs your contention that Hong Kong is also a totalitarian society? Have you been to Hong Kong in the last 5 years? I feel like people saying these sorts of things are just completely divorced from reality. > Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses. No. There were a few incidents very early on, when everyone was (quite understandably) panicking about a new, deadly virus that nobody had ever seen before, when some local city officials barred the doors of people who had just come from Wuhan. That was a scandal inside China, and it was immediately reversed. What China did do quite extensively was border quarantine, and during localized outbreaks (caused by cases that slipped through quarantine at the border), mass testing and quarantine measures. This was during a once-in-a-generation pandemic that killed millions of people. In China, these measures saved several million lives. The estimates are that China's overall death rate was about 25% that of the US, and these measures are the reason. By the way, Taiwan and Australia took nearly identical measures, and I very much doubt that you would call them totalitarian societies.
- bwv848 5mo ago> That was a scandal inside China, and it was immediately reversed. Tell it to the people in Wuhan, and Shanghai, Urumqi, and other cities that had lockdowns. I was in Shanghai in 2022, I was confined to my apartment for nearly 3 months, you couldn't be more wrong.