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"not perfect" is a _very_ big simplification of what China is though
by hsiudh 5mo ago
"not perfect" is a _very_ big simplification of what China is though
- rglullis 5mo agoIsn't that the same to every major superpower?
- FuckButtons 5mo agoNo. There is no moral equivalence with totalitarianism.
- ywvcbk 5mo agoModern China isn't exactly totalitarian though and US is rapidly converging with China in that regard anyway.
- bwv848 5mo agoHow totalitarian is exactly totalitarian? I asked chatgpt and it gave few points - Control goes beyond politics - A single, all-encompassing ideology - No meaningful private sphere - Mass mobilization and propaganda - Extensive surveillance and repression Seems like China is ticking all the boxes.
- drcongo 5mo agoHonestly thought you were listing traits that the US has now till the last line.
- bwv848 5mo agoReally laugh my ass off, so much whataboutism and American centrism when the debate is whether China is trustworthy on AI. Given your ignorance you should go and do your research, but I will help you a bit here. - Control goes beyond politics state corporation monopoly, 党支部 in private sector, crackdowns on NGOs and charities. - A single, all-encompassing ideology Party led, mandarin speaking Han Chinese nationalism, blended with Little Pink's unquestionable support for Xi and the party. - No meaningful private sphere 社区网格员 - Mass mobilization and propaganda We saw mobilizations on Chinese social media, attacking celebrities who don't openly say anything the party wants them to say. Mobilization in real life is rare though, cos it had shown it can backfire. - Extensive surveillance and repression Do I really need to explain this?
- drcongo 5mo agoWhich comment was this supposed to be a reply to?
- Levitz 5mo agoIn what universe does the US not have "meaningful private sphere"?
- AntiUSAbah 5mo agoMeta, Google and co control all your private data. GDPR is a european thing not an american or chinese thing. CIA/FBI have their own massive data centers (see snowden) inkl. their own older bigger palantr style software. Elon Musk was able to connect a Starlink server to your data and no one cared. He and his Duche aeh sry doge baby boys were able to access and download all Social Security Numbers. If someone knows were Putin and all the other world leaders are at any given moment, I would bet its USA first than China if even because i don't think China cares that much about it than USA does. And everyone out of scope of this, lives probably in some rural USA town were no one cares for you at all anyway, but thats the same thing as in China.
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo ago> No meaningful private sphere Have you ever been to China? Everyone has their own private lives. It's no different than any other country in that respect. In China, you rarely interact with the government in daily life. Most people are just living their lives.
- MetaWhirledPeas 5mo agoYou forgot - No freedom of religion
- MetaWhirledPeas 5mo agoDear flagger, did I say something incorrect?
- odiroot 5mo agoJust as long as you don't openly mention the "three Ts".
- Hamuko 5mo agoWhich are the current nontotalitarian superpowers?
- vrganj 5mo agoEU
- NicoJuicy 5mo agoThat's also the current US administration. Luckily laws still stand somewhat. ( And Trump ain't smart enough)
- fragmede 5mo agoTrump's smarter than he lets on. He plays the buffoon in public, but he's smart enough to have gotten elected twice. Which is two times more than I've managed to.
- ziml77 5mo agoYou don't have to be smart to be elected. You have to be a good liar. And it's really easy to be a good liar when you have gotten so deep into bullshitting that you believe your own lies. Also, being useful to the right people helps. Because they will dump their own money and time into bolstering your campaign.
- NicoJuicy 5mo agoBased on what is he smart? Every objective datapoint says he's an idiot that fails upwards. The only thing he was successful in, was literally exaggerating and overselling his capabilities ( eg. He directed the apprentice, it's fake)
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo agoChina is not totalitarian. Many people believe that China is still like 1950s-60s-era Maoist China, but it's just not.
- FuckButtons 5mo agotiananmen square was in 1989. Hong Kong was snuffed out like a light. Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses. You do not need to look back at the cultural revolution to see the prc for what it is.
- DiogenesKynikos 5mo agoIs your contention that Hong Kong is also a totalitarian society? Have you been to Hong Kong in the last 5 years? I feel like people saying these sorts of things are just completely divorced from reality. > Covid saw people caged and sealed in their houses. No. There were a few incidents very early on, when everyone was (quite understandably) panicking about a new, deadly virus that nobody had ever seen before, when some local city officials barred the doors of people who had just come from Wuhan. That was a scandal inside China, and it was immediately reversed. What China did do quite extensively was border quarantine, and during localized outbreaks (caused by cases that slipped through quarantine at the border), mass testing and quarantine measures. This was during a once-in-a-generation pandemic that killed millions of people. In China, these measures saved several million lives. The estimates are that China's overall death rate was about 25% that of the US, and these measures are the reason. By the way, Taiwan and Australia took nearly identical measures, and I very much doubt that you would call them totalitarian societies.
- bwv848 5mo ago> That was a scandal inside China, and it was immediately reversed. Tell it to the people in Wuhan, and Shanghai, Urumqi, and other cities that had lockdowns. I was in Shanghai in 2022, I was confined to my apartment for nearly 3 months, you couldn't be more wrong.
- scrollop 5mo agoWhatbaoutism at it's finest. Have a peek at the fredom indx and the press freedom index for China. Guess where they stand? You know about the chinese internet firewall. You can't trust any data from the CCP. And please don't equate the aberration that is the Trump administration with "regular" US administrations (and this is coming from a non US person).
- rhubarbtree 5mo agoYou’re right, for now, but I think trump will try to turn America into a dictatorship.
- _blk 5mo ago..you forgot to mention that any technology in China, foreign or domestic, can and will be used for and to the benefit of the -military- party.. But like someone posted: "not perfect" fits the bill. Check out the Sean Ryan Show with Palmer Luckey on China and military tech.
- Thlom 5mo agoSame goes for every country on earth?
- wookmaster 5mo agoOk? The same can be said about the US
- rglullis 5mo agoPeople in China live under totalitarian rule, that much is true. But how free is the average North American, where getting sick can bring you and your family financial ruin? Where the "free press" is controlled by corporations who are also the main source of campaign funding for politicians? Where their urban spaces are designed to require you to have a car and promote complete atomized individuals?
- hajile 5mo agoAll these things are from the private sector and may be left behind if you like (do younger generations even listen to corporate news?) The real issues are government surveillance and it increasingly getting involved in my personal matters, but it’s still more free than any other country I could go to. Look at countries in Europe like the UK without true freedom of press arresting people for mean tweets and giving them years in prison.
- IsTom 5mo agoYou can say the same about the US
- hunter67 5mo agothey compare it to fascist USA though
- allan_s 5mo agoAsk a gay, a black or a Japanese how it feels living in China.
- cromka 5mo agoOutside of gay people, the rest is your projection: they are homogenous society, racial problems are nonexistent. US is heavily heterogenous and despite that you segregated like a third of society at the time. Ridiculous take.
- wookmaster 5mo agoYour take is about as ridiculous. China isn’t at all how you described it.
- nailer 5mo ago> they are homogenous society No, China is not homogenous. > racial problems are nonexistent Ask a non-Han about how they feel about that statement.
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- Levitz 5mo ago>Outside of gay people, the rest is your projection: they are homogenous society, racial problems are nonexistent. You do know that Chinese people do go to other countries and that we all can see how insanely racist they can be right?
- allan_s 5mo agoSorry, I have lived and worked there 6 years in different cities and I do speak a fluent (though with a very heavy French accent) mandarin. It's totally not my projection but my experience first hand. During the "diaoyu island" incident in the 2010s the sushi shop 200m near my appartment got sacked, and all japanese-brand car get smashed. My black (and indian) friends all complained how hard they were treated. And when talking with my Chinese friends they all had very .... interesting... point of view. Edit: also, I'm not from the US