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The majority are released by socialists, and by socialist I mean the People's Republic of China. Which everyone seems to forget is a socialist country working t

by noosphr 6mo ago

The majority are released by socialists, and by socialist I mean the People's Republic of China. Which everyone seems to forget is a socialist country working towards world communism. They are a prestige propaganda tool on par with the space race. On top of that they insert a subtle pro-socialist bias in everything they touch. Ask deepseek about the US economic system for a blatant example. Now think what something as innocent seeming as the qwen retrieval models are doing in the background of every request.

Melatonic 6mo ago
Is China even really communist? If anything they seem to be fairly on the Capitalist side but just a bit opposite on the spectrum of the US. And much more authoritarian
- nemomarx 6mo ago
  The usual thing to say is state capitalist but honestly they do keep a market around too. A little hybrid of everything, I guess? Just with the state ready to jump in and intervene if anything happens they don't like.
  - dwd 6mo ago
    Can we just call it what it is? Fascism (in the Mussolini model) in everything but name. - Hyper-Nationalism & Rejuvenation - State-Controlled Capitalism (Corporatism) - Authoritarian & Cult of Personality - Militarism & Irredentism And they have technology to maintain control rather than needing the Black-shirts. There are differences obviously to fit Chinese culture, but there are many parallels.
- wyre 6mo ago
  From what I understand their one hundred year plan is right on schedule.
- thrawa8387336 6mo ago
  Just nationalist with focus on community?
mikestorrent 6mo ago
You're talking to a Canadian, and I'm not scared of the "red menace". You should be more scared - those guys can build bullet trains while you Yanks are finding it hard to even keep the old ones you have running. The solution here isn't going to be some kind of ideological force that protects people from different ideas, and that's an unAmerican way to fix things anyway. Embrace other ideas; central planning doesn't have to be evil, you just have to find a way to stop putting evil people in charge.
- noosphr 6mo ago
  >you just have to find a way to stop putting evil people in charge. Of course, why did no one think of that?
- bloppe 6mo ago
  Xi is an obviously more capable and effective leader than Trump, but the US actually does have ways to boot people out of office when they do a bad job, and clear methods to choose successors, and China has neither. That matters more than who happens to be in charge right now.
- sho_hn 6mo ago
  > those guys can build bullet trains while you Yanks are finding it hard to even keep the old ones you have running This is an argument in the lane of "at least he built the Autobahn". Speaking as a German.
  - nelox 6mo ago
    He was a foreigner too ;)
- brightball 6mo ago
  The US can’t build bullet trains because property rights and local regulations make it prohibitively expensive. Not due to capability.
  - vrganj 6mo ago
bloppe 6mo ago
> Which everyone seems to forget is a socialist country working towards world communism. It's easy to forget because they actually built an incredibly vibrant capitalist economy.
- noosphr 6mo ago
  They build an incredibly vibrant _market_ economy with no property rights and very little due process. Imagine if Musk was disappeared during the Biden presidency into a diversity camp and came out looking like Dr. Frank-N-Furter and instituted mandatory LGBT struggle sessions at twitter. This is what they did to Jack Ma: https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/24/what-really-happened-to-jack-ma/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/24/what-r...
  - vrganj 6mo ago
    You sure have a way of making the Chinese system sound even more appealing.
    - Sabinus 6mo ago
      It's all fun and games when the oppression is against your enemies. The problem is, if the system is set up like that eventually it'll be your turn.
      - vrganj 6mo ago
        It is my turn right now. The working class is being oppressed as we speak. That's why the system needs to be dismantled so we can strike back.
  - javascriptfan69 6mo ago
    do you ever get tired of making up scenarios to be scared about lgbt people?
    - noosphr 6mo ago

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Melatonic 6mo ago

Is China even really communist? If anything they seem to be fairly on the Capitalist side but just a bit opposite on the spectrum of the US. And much more authoritarian

nemomarx 6mo ago
The usual thing to say is state capitalist but honestly they do keep a market around too. A little hybrid of everything, I guess? Just with the state ready to jump in and intervene if anything happens they don't like.
- dwd 6mo ago
  Can we just call it what it is? Fascism (in the Mussolini model) in everything but name. - Hyper-Nationalism & Rejuvenation - State-Controlled Capitalism (Corporatism) - Authoritarian & Cult of Personality - Militarism & Irredentism And they have technology to maintain control rather than needing the Black-shirts. There are differences obviously to fit Chinese culture, but there are many parallels.
wyre 6mo ago
From what I understand their one hundred year plan is right on schedule.
thrawa8387336 6mo ago
Just nationalist with focus on community?

mikestorrent 6mo ago

You're talking to a Canadian, and I'm not scared of the "red menace". You should be more scared - those guys can build bullet trains while you Yanks are finding it hard to even keep the old ones you have running. The solution here isn't going to be some kind of ideological force that protects people from different ideas, and that's an unAmerican way to fix things anyway. Embrace other ideas; central planning doesn't have to be evil, you just have to find a way to stop putting evil people in charge.

noosphr 6mo ago
>you just have to find a way to stop putting evil people in charge. Of course, why did no one think of that?
bloppe 6mo ago
Xi is an obviously more capable and effective leader than Trump, but the US actually does have ways to boot people out of office when they do a bad job, and clear methods to choose successors, and China has neither. That matters more than who happens to be in charge right now.
sho_hn 6mo ago
> those guys can build bullet trains while you Yanks are finding it hard to even keep the old ones you have running This is an argument in the lane of "at least he built the Autobahn". Speaking as a German.
- nelox 6mo ago
  He was a foreigner too ;)
brightball 6mo ago
The US can’t build bullet trains because property rights and local regulations make it prohibitively expensive. Not due to capability.
- vrganj 6mo ago

bloppe 6mo ago

> Which everyone seems to forget is a socialist country working towards world communism. It's easy to forget because they actually built an incredibly vibrant capitalist economy.

noosphr 6mo ago
They build an incredibly vibrant _market_ economy with no property rights and very little due process. Imagine if Musk was disappeared during the Biden presidency into a diversity camp and came out looking like Dr. Frank-N-Furter and instituted mandatory LGBT struggle sessions at twitter. This is what they did to Jack Ma: https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/24/what-really-happened-to-jack-ma/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/06/24/what-r...
- vrganj 6mo ago
  You sure have a way of making the Chinese system sound even more appealing.
  - Sabinus 6mo ago
    It's all fun and games when the oppression is against your enemies. The problem is, if the system is set up like that eventually it'll be your turn.
    - vrganj 6mo ago
      It is my turn right now. The working class is being oppressed as we speak. That's why the system needs to be dismantled so we can strike back.
- javascriptfan69 6mo ago
  do you ever get tired of making up scenarios to be scared about lgbt people?
  - noosphr 6mo ago