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> years of work at Microsoft plus their age totals 70 Is that ageism? How is that different than saying if their gender is Y, their race is X or their religiou
by rdtsc 6mo ago
> years of work at Microsoft plus their age totals 70
Is that ageism? How is that different than saying if their gender is Y, their race is X or their religious belief is Z?
- ErneX 6mo agoI mean they could instead fire them, at least they can opt to this.
- rdtsc 6mo agoGoing by age, wouldn't that be breaking the law? Can't imagine they'd get more than a slap on wrist for it though, so kind of surprised they even bothered with the offer.
- ErneX 6mo agoIf it’s just by age I’d guess yes, but they always have the option to do mass layoffs including these folks + others. In Spain there’s something similar called “prejubilación” (apologies for the Spanish link but the Wikipedia entry does not have an English version): https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejubilaci%C3%B3n https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejubilaci%C3%B3n
- post-it 6mo agoBecause "number of expected working years left" is a factor in evaluating common law severance.
- IncreasePosts 6mo agoIn the US, ageism is allowed as long it doesn't discriminate against older people(45 years old or older I think?). You're allowed to discriminate against youth all you want. Offering a buyout is in no way discriminatory since it is voluntary. If it was forced buyout, then yes it would be discriminatory
- OJFord 6mo agoBy that logic a job offer is in no way discriminatory since it is voluntary?
- IncreasePosts 6mo agoA job offer can be discriminatory, why not? "You were our only female candidate, so we're offering you the job"
- Iulioh 6mo ago...there are a lot of answers on the "why not?"
- OJFord 6mo agoYes, that is exactly my point. "You were our only female employee, so we're offering you VR"
- IncreasePosts 6mo agoOh, I see. The difference there, I think, is that you're illegally discriminating against men by doing that, which is not allowed. However, by law, you can't illegally discriminate against youth, so it's ok.
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- rdtsc 6mo ago> In the US, ageism is allowed as long it doesn't discriminate against older people(45 years old or older I think?). You're allowed to discriminate against youth all you want. I think it's 40 https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination. So for 40 or less years + X years worked to be more than 70 they'd have to work there 30 years starting at 10 years old or younger. Granted, some of the decisions I saw Microsoft make do look like they were made by 10 year olds, so maybe there is some truth there. > Offering a buyout is in no way discriminatory since it is voluntary. If it was forced buyout, then yes it would be discriminatory Still, what if they offered it based on gender, religious belief, or race? Would that look just as good or bad of an offer.
- renewiltord 6mo agoNot all ageism is illegal.
- workfromspace 6mo agoI am not a native English speaker so I actually geniunely wonder: 1. Could you please tell more? 2. Could this be said for other -ism s as well? (Sexism, Racism, Ableism, Classism, Nationalism, Nepotism)
- mixdup 6mo agoIn the US ageism is illegal if you are discriminating against someone for being too old. It is not illegal in the US to discriminate against someone based on how young they are
- workfromspace 6mo agoI see, thank you for the info. And is this only about the employment, or generally?
- mixdup 6mo agoAs far as I know, generally, although different categories have different laws. But it's not illegal to have housing that is reserved for elderly people. It's not illegal to require someone to be 18 or 21 to come into your place of business, etc