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Ah yes, the administration’s love of Axis of Allies, or is it allies of axis? They don’t know, they got distracted by the mustaches and the desire to conquer th

Ah yes, the administration’s love of Axis of Allies, or is it allies of axis? They don’t know, they got distracted by the mustaches and the desire to conquer the world.

spwa4 6mo ago
You do realize that the Axis (Nazi Germany, Japan) were attacking everyone with the explicitly stated goal of conquering the world (and subjecting it to the holocaust, we might add), and US stopped them, conquered Europe, North Africa, half the Pacific, and nothing has been able to stop the US military since. And the US ... retreated. We might add, the Soviets, the other axis, did not retreat. China did not retreat. Both of them started killing people to keep their conquests. I mean, there's no shortage of stuff that the US did wrong and US made mistakes. This was not one of them.
- reactordev 6mo ago
  My point was that this administration seems to like the axis plan more than the original US/Allied plan. I'm fully aware of which side was which. Tell that to Hegseth and Miller.
- oblio 6mo ago
  I think OP is talking about the current administration.
  - reactordev 6mo ago
    No one reads anymore
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- cogman10 6mo ago
  The US did not retreat. We fought multiple wars to maintain our power and influence. We toppled multiple regimes to maintain puppet governments. Very much the same as the USSR and China have done. Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Guatemala, Haiti, etc. US conquest was quiet similar to British conquest. They didn't make their conquered people citizens (that'd make things tricky for exploitation) so instead they make sure the "democracies" they spread elected the right leaders who just so happen to align with US interests. There's a reason the US has military bases across the globe. It's not because they've retreated from their subservient states.
  - spwa4 6mo ago
    Let's compare with the Soviets and conclude the obvious: the US did retreat.
    - MiiMe19 6mo ago
      Me looking for the soviet military bases rn EDIT: I completely misunderstood the context here, nevermind.
      - spwa4 6mo ago
        I live in the Netherlands. The closest one was about 260 km from where I live. Of course, not any more.
        coldtea 6mo ago
        Was that on a country that went on a genocidal rampage just before and lost the war after killing millions all around Europe, which was decided to be divided in several parts, of which USSR got to control one, and which still developed into an independent country less than a decade later?
        spwa4 6mo ago
        Yes, but you're leaving out the other 9 countries the Soviet Union occupied, and immediately started killing the population to keep their conquests: Poland, Austria’s Soviet zone, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. By contrast, the US retreated. And also didn't start killing any population.
        cogman10 6mo ago
        > And also didn't start killing any population. Except for the populations in the global South. We spent a decade firebombing Vietnam and Cambodia.
        6mo ago
- yndoendo 6mo ago
  Most simplistic would be _Divide and Conquer_ (Axis) vs _United we stand, divided we fall_ (Allie). This administration is going down the divide and conquer path. I recommend _Culture in Nazi Germany_ by Michael H Kater. [0] The current US administration has numerous similarities to 1930s Germany. The way they support banning books and the treatment of the LGBT+ community. Working to take over media organizations with proponent operatives, financial corruption, and _please the leader_ are also present in both. There are more ... read the book for them. [0] https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300253375/culture-in-nazi-germany/ https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300253375/culture-in-naz...
  - breppp 6mo ago
    And a lot of dissimilarities, like the lack of mass executions of the disabled for example or a missing mass extermination plan of millions, maybe also kidnapping teenagers from the street and shipping them to brothels for soldiers, shooting babies? but apart from that exactly the same
    - throwaway173738 6mo ago
      The nazis did not start there. They started roughly where we’re at. They worked up to all of that.
      - breppp 6mo ago
        It's been almost 6 years of Trump, when do you think it's going to start?
    - yndoendo 6mo ago
      Are you looking for and only accepting isomorphism between the two? There are no governing bodies in history that have ever been isomorphic. Only similarities exist between them. Japan never assisted with extermination of Jews and they are in the Venn diagram of Axis and authoritarianism. I have high confidence that Adolf Hilter, Bentio Mussolini, and Emperor Shōwa never were part of a child trafficking ring that catered to the wealthy and assisted them with raping and torturing of youths on a privately owned island. There are simulates though with _human trafficking_ between all parties. Didn't Donald Trump state that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country? Didn't Adolf Hitler say Jews are poisoning the blood of the country? Aren't both simulates? There never can be two states that are exactly the same; from policies to events. Iceland and Germany are classified as democratic countries and they have dissimilarities.
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- keybored 6mo ago
  They didn’t even retreat from places like Italy because... the communists might be successful. So the CIA backed fascists to sabotage them. And the US ... retreated. harumph And interferred, and supported right-wing militias, and invaded countries by themselves, and supported coups, and so on.
- blks 6mo ago
  US did not stopped Axis alone, Allies did. Even in Pacific Soviet participation was very important in defeating Japan. And the US did not retreat, it kept its military all across Europe (and the world), brought its nuclear weapons to Europe (not for the Europe, but for the US to be used with Europe as a launching pad).
- sofixa 6mo ago
  > and US stopped them The Allies stopped them. The US was one of the major contributors, but they were far from alone. The Soviets, Britain, Canada, India, Poland, France, Netherlands, Kenya, etc etc all contributed to various extents. The Indian army was one of the biggest by number of men. The Poles and French were crucial in setting the ground work for the British decrypting Enigma, alongside their purely military contributions.
  - the_af 6mo ago
    Arguably the Soviets were on par (or more) than the US in defeating Nazi Germany. (Yes, lend lease, etc, this is not downplaying US contributions). The Eastern Front was the real battlefield were Nazi Germany was doomed. Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration, etc.
- nashashmi 6mo ago
  Japan did not take part in the Holocaust. Not the goal of Germany nor Italy was the holocaust. Their objective was not to conquer the world. They were empire builders, plain and simple, and they were trying to expand their trade networks, like Britain had done and monopolized. They took over each European state and replaced its leadership with one that benefitted themselves. Their objective was policy frameworks for the purpose of trading. The holocaust was a later addon (1940).
  - throw0101d 6mo ago
    > Japan did not take part in the Holocaust. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women (Japan still ignores complaints to this day) The Japanese viewed non-Japanese as sub-human. It is no different than Nazis viewing Jews, Slavs, etc, as sub-human. > The holocaust was a later addon (1940). At least when it comes to the Nazis, genocide was always the general direction: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost The focus on Jews came a little later: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
    - nashashmi 6mo ago
      No one calls the japanese persecution of the Chinese a holocaust. For generalplan ost, “The plan, prepared in the years 1939–1942, was part of Adolf Hitler's and the Nazi movement's Lebensraum policy and a fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten” which still makes it a later development.

Ah yes, the administration’s love of Axis of Allies, or is it allies of axis? They don’t know, they got distracted by the mustaches and the desire to conquer the world.

spwa4 6mo ago

You do realize that the Axis (Nazi Germany, Japan) were attacking everyone with the explicitly stated goal of conquering the world (and subjecting it to the holocaust, we might add), and US stopped them, conquered Europe, North Africa, half the Pacific, and nothing has been able to stop the US military since. And the US ... retreated. We might add, the Soviets, the other axis, did not retreat. China did not retreat. Both of them started killing people to keep their conquests. I mean, there's no shortage of stuff that the US did wrong and US made mistakes. This was not one of them.

reactordev 6mo ago
My point was that this administration seems to like the axis plan more than the original US/Allied plan. I'm fully aware of which side was which. Tell that to Hegseth and Miller.
oblio 6mo ago
I think OP is talking about the current administration.
- reactordev 6mo ago
  No one reads anymore
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cogman10 6mo ago
The US did not retreat. We fought multiple wars to maintain our power and influence. We toppled multiple regimes to maintain puppet governments. Very much the same as the USSR and China have done. Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Guatemala, Haiti, etc. US conquest was quiet similar to British conquest. They didn't make their conquered people citizens (that'd make things tricky for exploitation) so instead they make sure the "democracies" they spread elected the right leaders who just so happen to align with US interests. There's a reason the US has military bases across the globe. It's not because they've retreated from their subservient states.
- spwa4 6mo ago
  Let's compare with the Soviets and conclude the obvious: the US did retreat.
  - MiiMe19 6mo ago
    Me looking for the soviet military bases rn EDIT: I completely misunderstood the context here, nevermind.
    - spwa4 6mo ago
      I live in the Netherlands. The closest one was about 260 km from where I live. Of course, not any more.
      - coldtea 6mo ago
        Was that on a country that went on a genocidal rampage just before and lost the war after killing millions all around Europe, which was decided to be divided in several parts, of which USSR got to control one, and which still developed into an independent country less than a decade later?
        spwa4 6mo ago
        Yes, but you're leaving out the other 9 countries the Soviet Union occupied, and immediately started killing the population to keep their conquests: Poland, Austria’s Soviet zone, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. By contrast, the US retreated. And also didn't start killing any population.
        cogman10 6mo ago
        > And also didn't start killing any population. Except for the populations in the global South. We spent a decade firebombing Vietnam and Cambodia.
        6mo ago
yndoendo 6mo ago
Most simplistic would be _Divide and Conquer_ (Axis) vs _United we stand, divided we fall_ (Allie). This administration is going down the divide and conquer path. I recommend _Culture in Nazi Germany_ by Michael H Kater. [0] The current US administration has numerous similarities to 1930s Germany. The way they support banning books and the treatment of the LGBT+ community. Working to take over media organizations with proponent operatives, financial corruption, and _please the leader_ are also present in both. There are more ... read the book for them. [0] https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300253375/culture-in-nazi-germany/ https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300253375/culture-in-naz...
- breppp 6mo ago
  And a lot of dissimilarities, like the lack of mass executions of the disabled for example or a missing mass extermination plan of millions, maybe also kidnapping teenagers from the street and shipping them to brothels for soldiers, shooting babies? but apart from that exactly the same
  - throwaway173738 6mo ago
    The nazis did not start there. They started roughly where we’re at. They worked up to all of that.
    - breppp 6mo ago
      It's been almost 6 years of Trump, when do you think it's going to start?
  - yndoendo 6mo ago
    Are you looking for and only accepting isomorphism between the two? There are no governing bodies in history that have ever been isomorphic. Only similarities exist between them. Japan never assisted with extermination of Jews and they are in the Venn diagram of Axis and authoritarianism. I have high confidence that Adolf Hilter, Bentio Mussolini, and Emperor Shōwa never were part of a child trafficking ring that catered to the wealthy and assisted them with raping and torturing of youths on a privately owned island. There are simulates though with _human trafficking_ between all parties. Didn't Donald Trump state that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country? Didn't Adolf Hitler say Jews are poisoning the blood of the country? Aren't both simulates? There never can be two states that are exactly the same; from policies to events. Iceland and Germany are classified as democratic countries and they have dissimilarities.
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keybored 6mo ago
They didn’t even retreat from places like Italy because... the communists might be successful. So the CIA backed fascists to sabotage them. And the US ... retreated. harumph And interferred, and supported right-wing militias, and invaded countries by themselves, and supported coups, and so on.
blks 6mo ago
US did not stopped Axis alone, Allies did. Even in Pacific Soviet participation was very important in defeating Japan. And the US did not retreat, it kept its military all across Europe (and the world), brought its nuclear weapons to Europe (not for the Europe, but for the US to be used with Europe as a launching pad).
sofixa 6mo ago
> and US stopped them The Allies stopped them. The US was one of the major contributors, but they were far from alone. The Soviets, Britain, Canada, India, Poland, France, Netherlands, Kenya, etc etc all contributed to various extents. The Indian army was one of the biggest by number of men. The Poles and French were crucial in setting the ground work for the British decrypting Enigma, alongside their purely military contributions.
- the_af 6mo ago
  Arguably the Soviets were on par (or more) than the US in defeating Nazi Germany. (Yes, lend lease, etc, this is not downplaying US contributions). The Eastern Front was the real battlefield were Nazi Germany was doomed. Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration, etc.
nashashmi 6mo ago
Japan did not take part in the Holocaust. Not the goal of Germany nor Italy was the holocaust. Their objective was not to conquer the world. They were empire builders, plain and simple, and they were trying to expand their trade networks, like Britain had done and monopolized. They took over each European state and replaced its leadership with one that benefitted themselves. Their objective was policy frameworks for the purpose of trading. The holocaust was a later addon (1940).
- throw0101d 6mo ago
  > Japan did not take part in the Holocaust. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women (Japan still ignores complaints to this day) The Japanese viewed non-Japanese as sub-human. It is no different than Nazis viewing Jews, Slavs, etc, as sub-human. > The holocaust was a later addon (1940). At least when it comes to the Nazis, genocide was always the general direction: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost The focus on Jews came a little later: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
  - nashashmi 6mo ago
    No one calls the japanese persecution of the Chinese a holocaust. For generalplan ost, “The plan, prepared in the years 1939–1942, was part of Adolf Hitler's and the Nazi movement's Lebensraum policy and a fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten” which still makes it a later development.