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As others have been capturing news cycle eyes, seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market s

As others have been capturing news cycle eyes, seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one? At one point they even seemed like a lost cause, but they're like a tide.. just growing all around.

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baq 5mo ago
you've never tried to use gemini 3 I guess - that thing was so unreliable it might as well not be offered; there's also a reason why everybody here is excited for claude and codex, but not really for antigravity. that said, I actually agree: google IMHO silently dominates the 'normie business' chatbot area. gemini is low key great for day to day stuff.
- sunaookami 5mo ago
  Yeah Gemini is not usable outside of the gemini.google.com homepage and AI Studio. Gemini CLI does not work at all and all the models are constantly overloaded or time out. Got a trial month and there was not a single day I could actually work with Gemini in a coding harness, 3.1 Pro was never reachable. Awful service, imagine if I'd have paid for this. Additionally since roughly two weeks Gemini 2.5 Flash (a stable GA model) is constantly throwing backend errors on Google's side when Grounding is on.
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youniverse 5mo ago
Yeah I think there will be a time in a few years (1-2?) when both Google and Apple will get to eat their cake. They aren't playing the same game of speed running unpolished product releases every month to double their valuation. They have time to think and observe and put out something really polished. At least that's the hope! :)
- echelon 5mo ago
  That's because these mega monopolies have diverse income streams and have grown like cancers to tax every system and economy that touches the internet. Anthropic and OpenAI are having to fight like hell to secure market share. Google just gets to sit back and relax with its browser and android monopolies. Why did our regulators fall asleep at the wheel? Google owns 92% of "URL bar" surface area and turned it into a Google search trademark dragnet. Now Anthropic has to bid for its own products against its competitors and inject a 15+% CAC which is just a Google tax. Now consider all the bullshit Google gets to do with android and owning that with an iron fist. Every piece of software has a 30% tax, has to jump through hoops, and even finding it is subject to the same bidding process. These companies need to be broken up. Google would be healthier for the economy and its own investors as six different companies. And they shouldn't be allowed to set the rules for mobile apps or tax other people's IP and trademarks.
  - harrall 5mo ago
    Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on? Based off years of research at Google. Of course they should have to fight with the inventors of the technology they’re using.
    - someguyiguess 5mo ago
      > Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on Source?
      - ckcheng 5mo ago
        Unless you don’t think Attention Is All You Need? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need
      - IncreasePosts 5mo ago
        "Attention Is All You Need" was a paper by a bunch of Google researchers
vibe42 5mo ago
Their latest open models are pretty competitive with other open models, and some innovation around the smaller sizes (2-4 GB). They're helping close to the distance to realistic quality inference on phones and other smaller devices.
- ethbr1 5mo ago
  > They're helping close to the distance to realistic quality inference on phones and other smaller devices. If someone monopolized OS marketshare for mid- to low-priced devices, that does seem like it would be a useful research focus. Whereas offering the same with compute-inefficiency cloud inference would be economically unviable at scale. Free on-device Google premium closed-source models* = free Google Maps 2.0 * As long as you ship Google Apps and Play Services
WarmWash 5mo ago
AI adoption isn't existential to Google like it is to OAI and Anthropic. They also can't produce hype like the other two, because anything they say is just going to come off as corporate drivel.
ValentineC 5mo ago
> seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one? The Google Antigravity subreddit is a shitshow though: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleAntigravityIDE/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleAntigravityIDE/
- arcanemachiner 5mo ago
  Damn, you're not kidding. Might be worse than r/ClaudeAI in terms of user sentiment, and that's saying something.
  - scottyah 5mo ago
    I mean, reddit is just a knob sama can turn for easy astroturfing. It's almost as bad as looking for grok sentiment on X.
- Keyframe 5mo ago
  can't let google have a success without it getting autodestructed though. classic google
spyckie2 5mo ago
Take away the hype and OpenAI / Anthropic are covering themselves with money and lighting themselves on fire to see who can make the bigger bonfire...

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baq 5mo ago

you've never tried to use gemini 3 I guess - that thing was so unreliable it might as well not be offered; there's also a reason why everybody here is excited for claude and codex, but not really for antigravity. that said, I actually agree: google IMHO silently dominates the 'normie business' chatbot area. gemini is low key great for day to day stuff.

sunaookami 5mo ago
Yeah Gemini is not usable outside of the gemini.google.com homepage and AI Studio. Gemini CLI does not work at all and all the models are constantly overloaded or time out. Got a trial month and there was not a single day I could actually work with Gemini in a coding harness, 3.1 Pro was never reachable. Awful service, imagine if I'd have paid for this. Additionally since roughly two weeks Gemini 2.5 Flash (a stable GA model) is constantly throwing backend errors on Google's side when Grounding is on.

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youniverse 5mo ago

Yeah I think there will be a time in a few years (1-2?) when both Google and Apple will get to eat their cake. They aren't playing the same game of speed running unpolished product releases every month to double their valuation. They have time to think and observe and put out something really polished. At least that's the hope! :)

echelon 5mo ago
That's because these mega monopolies have diverse income streams and have grown like cancers to tax every system and economy that touches the internet. Anthropic and OpenAI are having to fight like hell to secure market share. Google just gets to sit back and relax with its browser and android monopolies. Why did our regulators fall asleep at the wheel? Google owns 92% of "URL bar" surface area and turned it into a Google search trademark dragnet. Now Anthropic has to bid for its own products against its competitors and inject a 15+% CAC which is just a Google tax. Now consider all the bullshit Google gets to do with android and owning that with an iron fist. Every piece of software has a 30% tax, has to jump through hoops, and even finding it is subject to the same bidding process. These companies need to be broken up. Google would be healthier for the economy and its own investors as six different companies. And they shouldn't be allowed to set the rules for mobile apps or tax other people's IP and trademarks.
- harrall 5mo ago
  Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on? Based off years of research at Google. Of course they should have to fight with the inventors of the technology they’re using.
  - someguyiguess 5mo ago
    > Google invented the AI architecture that Anthropic and OpenAI based their entire companies on Source?
    - ckcheng 5mo ago
      Unless you don’t think Attention Is All You Need? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_Is_All_You_Need
    - IncreasePosts 5mo ago
      "Attention Is All You Need" was a paper by a bunch of Google researchers

vibe42 5mo ago

Their latest open models are pretty competitive with other open models, and some innovation around the smaller sizes (2-4 GB). They're helping close to the distance to realistic quality inference on phones and other smaller devices.

ethbr1 5mo ago
> They're helping close to the distance to realistic quality inference on phones and other smaller devices. If someone monopolized OS marketshare for mid- to low-priced devices, that does seem like it would be a useful research focus. Whereas offering the same with compute-inefficiency cloud inference would be economically unviable at scale. Free on-device Google premium closed-source models* = free Google Maps 2.0 * As long as you ship Google Apps and Play Services

WarmWash 5mo ago

AI adoption isn't existential to Google like it is to OAI and Anthropic. They also can't produce hype like the other two, because anything they say is just going to come off as corporate drivel.

ValentineC 5mo ago

> seems to me Google has been going from strength to strength quietly in the background capturing consumer market share and without much (any?) infrastructure problems considering they're so vertically integrated in AI since day one? The Google Antigravity subreddit is a shitshow though: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleAntigravityIDE/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GoogleAntigravityIDE/

arcanemachiner 5mo ago
Damn, you're not kidding. Might be worse than r/ClaudeAI in terms of user sentiment, and that's saying something.
- scottyah 5mo ago
  I mean, reddit is just a knob sama can turn for easy astroturfing. It's almost as bad as looking for grok sentiment on X.
Keyframe 5mo ago
can't let google have a success without it getting autodestructed though. classic google

spyckie2 5mo ago

Take away the hype and OpenAI / Anthropic are covering themselves with money and lighting themselves on fire to see who can make the bigger bonfire...