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Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a g

Why would you even want a Claude subscription if not for Claude Code? Anthropic is obviously the best for programming, but probably nowhere else. Seems like a good way to onboard people to the Claude Code experience...everyone who's working seriously with it needs Opus, anyway. But, maybe that's the rub, if the Pro plan includes no Opus usage (which I think has always been the case), you might have a worse impression of Claude Code. Codex 5.4 is better than Sonnet, but not better than Opus. I dunno, I'm no business genius, but I think we're starting to see these companies try to find ways to make money instead of losing it.

ai_slop_hater 6mo ago
I have been using https://claude.ai https://claude.ai and, initially, it was good, but, unfortunately, it keeps getting worse. I had it search for contact information for a certain public entity, and in Claude's response, all emails were being replaced with [email protected] or something like that. They also added an absolutely horrendous automatic markdown in the text input, so now you can't even properly enter your prompt. It actively gets in my way and prevents me from typing what I want. Fuck you Anthropic.
bezier-curve 6mo ago
The pro plan does include Opus usage. I've noticed the limits on the web client are a bit higher than through CC, but probably more because of the increased token usage of agentic coding in general. Claude web is actually pretty good for dealing with random projects outside of code. I have a Home Assistant MCP server [1] behind a Cloudflare tunnel exposed to it that makes maintaining automations a lot easier. [1] https://github.com/homeassistant-ai/ha-mcp https://github.com/homeassistant-ai/ha-mcp
lifis 6mo ago
On LMArena, Claude Opus is ranked as the best at everything except image and video generation, which it does not support. That may be inaccurate, but it's plausible
croes 6mo ago
Opus 4.5 was part of the pro plan and 4.6 too
- croes 6mo ago
  Wow, downvoted for stating facts
beering 6mo ago
People subscribed to chatgpt before there was codex. Why wouldnt a Claude subscription stand on its own without Claude Code? In fact it’s probably a smart move for Anthropic to split it out.
- jinushaun 6mo ago
  Because Claude Code provides me more value than simply a chat agent. Claude Code is the only thing I pay for. I can do chat things with the free tier across all the LLMs.
Razengan 6mo ago
> Anthropic is obviously the best for programming Not at all: https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png Codex has been way better for my use case (reviewing existing Godot+GDScript code)

ai_slop_hater 6mo ago

I have been using https://claude.ai https://claude.ai and, initially, it was good, but, unfortunately, it keeps getting worse. I had it search for contact information for a certain public entity, and in Claude's response, all emails were being replaced with [email protected] or something like that. They also added an absolutely horrendous automatic markdown in the text input, so now you can't even properly enter your prompt. It actively gets in my way and prevents me from typing what I want. Fuck you Anthropic.

bezier-curve 6mo ago

The pro plan does include Opus usage. I've noticed the limits on the web client are a bit higher than through CC, but probably more because of the increased token usage of agentic coding in general. Claude web is actually pretty good for dealing with random projects outside of code. I have a Home Assistant MCP server [1] behind a Cloudflare tunnel exposed to it that makes maintaining automations a lot easier. [1] https://github.com/homeassistant-ai/ha-mcp https://github.com/homeassistant-ai/ha-mcp

lifis 6mo ago

On LMArena, Claude Opus is ranked as the best at everything except image and video generation, which it does not support. That may be inaccurate, but it's plausible

croes 6mo ago

Opus 4.5 was part of the pro plan and 4.6 too

croes 6mo ago
Wow, downvoted for stating facts

beering 6mo ago

People subscribed to chatgpt before there was codex. Why wouldnt a Claude subscription stand on its own without Claude Code? In fact it’s probably a smart move for Anthropic to split it out.

jinushaun 6mo ago
Because Claude Code provides me more value than simply a chat agent. Claude Code is the only thing I pay for. I can do chat things with the free tier across all the LLMs.

Razengan 6mo ago

> Anthropic is obviously the best for programming Not at all: https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png Codex has been way better for my use case (reviewing existing Godot+GDScript code)