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This take is so hardworkingly naive I dont even know where to start. After having the undesputed greatest set of products designed in a row, you dane to call i

This take is so hardworkingly naive I dont even know where to start. After having the undesputed greatest set of products designed in a row, you dane to call it luck. Asside from your complete ignorance of the history at play, (Ive refounded Apple with Jobs) you seem to not understand what a 'mediocre' designer is capable of and how mind-bendinly hard it was to design the imac, ipad, iphone and apple watch I genuinely can't believe you could be so wild to beleive such a thing. It becomes frankly stupid to the point of disrespectful of the work individuals put into their craft and the success they can find. There is no person in the world outside of someone in this forum who would claim that somehow this was 'luck'. HN has truly become one of the most toxically stupid places on the web.

Supermancho 6mo ago
> HN has truly become one of the most toxically stupid places on the web Stupid and uninformed are different things. The constant stream of personal attacks and handwaving about abstract difficulty is not compelling.
- tsunamifury 6mo ago
  Sure, but when you have people claiming Newton was overrated and everything invented was just easy, I think the term "stupid" does apply.
  - dwd 6mo ago
    It could also be a case that there are malicious actors (human or bots) trolling and seeking to destroy conversations (and HN), rather than stupidity. Someone raised the idea of flagging new accounts. That would make it easier to simply ignore them.
  - jordanb 6mo ago
    You're comparing a cellphone designer with some wins and a lot of losses in his portfolio to Isaac Newton...
HarHarVeryFunny 6mo ago
The products were not conceived/designed by Ive. He was VP of industrial design only, with a team of people under him, such as Richard Howarth who seems to have been lead designer on the original iPhone and replaced Ive when he left. Your take on crediting Ive with the success of Apple's product line would be exactly like crediting some designer at Nike with the success of their never ending line of sneakers. If your theory of Ive's design genius being such a game changer was true, then why has Apple continued to flourish since he left 7 years ago? It seems pretty apparent that it's the brand/image established by Jobs that is successful, just as it's the Nike brand (bootstrapped by MJ & Nike Air) that propels Nike, not the magic of their designs.

Supermancho 6mo ago

> HN has truly become one of the most toxically stupid places on the web Stupid and uninformed are different things. The constant stream of personal attacks and handwaving about abstract difficulty is not compelling.

tsunamifury 6mo ago
Sure, but when you have people claiming Newton was overrated and everything invented was just easy, I think the term "stupid" does apply.
- dwd 6mo ago
  It could also be a case that there are malicious actors (human or bots) trolling and seeking to destroy conversations (and HN), rather than stupidity. Someone raised the idea of flagging new accounts. That would make it easier to simply ignore them.
- jordanb 6mo ago
  You're comparing a cellphone designer with some wins and a lot of losses in his portfolio to Isaac Newton...

HarHarVeryFunny 6mo ago

The products were not conceived/designed by Ive. He was VP of industrial design only, with a team of people under him, such as Richard Howarth who seems to have been lead designer on the original iPhone and replaced Ive when he left. Your take on crediting Ive with the success of Apple's product line would be exactly like crediting some designer at Nike with the success of their never ending line of sneakers. If your theory of Ive's design genius being such a game changer was true, then why has Apple continued to flourish since he left 7 years ago? It seems pretty apparent that it's the brand/image established by Jobs that is successful, just as it's the Nike brand (bootstrapped by MJ & Nike Air) that propels Nike, not the magic of their designs.