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One interesting thing I found comparing OpenAI and Gemini image editing is - Gemini rejects anything involving a well known person. Anything. OpenAI is happy to

by dktp 6mo ago

One interesting thing I found comparing OpenAI and Gemini image editing is - Gemini rejects anything involving a well known person. Anything. OpenAI is happy to edit and change every time I tried I have a sideproject where I want to display standup comedies. I thought I could edit standup comedy posters with some AI to fit my design. Gemini straight up refuses to change any image of any standup comedy poster involving a well know human. OpenAI does not care and is happy to edit away

Melatonic 6mo ago
How does it determine they are well known and not just similar looking?
- dktp 6mo ago
  I don't know tbh. I've tried it on 10-20 various level of famous standups and Gemini refuses every time Just for testing, I just tried this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_KJdP4FLGTo/sddefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_KJdP4FLGTo/sddefault.jpg ("Redesign this image in a brutalist graphic design style"). Gemini refuses (api as well as UI), OpenAI does it
  - arjie 6mo ago
    It's not super deterministic but it didn't fail once on my attempts. See: https://imgur.com/a/james-acaster-cold-lasagne-1R7fpzQ https://imgur.com/a/james-acaster-cold-lasagne-1R7fpzQ
    - dktp 6mo ago
      Very interesting. It fails every single time for me. I'm in Germany, maybe Google is stricter here? See https://imgur.com/a/77BRDQv https://imgur.com/a/77BRDQv
      - arjie 6mo ago
        That makes sense to me. I just Googled around like a fool and got here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#Germany It seems like they're trying to follow local law. What a nightmare to have to manage all jurisdictions around such a product. Surprised it didn't kill image generation entirely.
        jliptzin 6mo ago
        Yea, especially when they know all that work will be completely pointless in a few years when open source / local models will be just as good and won't have any legal limitations, so people will be generating fake images of famous people like crazy with nothing stopping them
  - Melatonic 6mo ago
    What if you change the prompt to tell it specifically its not a famous person? Or try it without text?
- yreg 6mo ago
  Gemini often rejects photos of random people (even ones it generated itself) because it thinks they look too similar to some well known person.
- BoorishBears 6mo ago
  There are models specifically for detecting well known people https://docs.aws.amazon.com/rekognition/latest/dg/celebrities.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/rekognition/latest/dg/celebritie...
vunderba 6mo ago
Are you using Google Gemini directly? I've found the Vertex API seems to be significantly less strict.
qingcharles 5mo ago
OpenAI wouldn't make me a Looney Tunes Roadrunner Martin Scorsese "Absolute Cinema" parody, but Gemini didn't blink about the trademark violation. Also, the output was really nice: https://imgur.com/a/Jclezyi https://imgur.com/a/Jclezyi

by dktp 6mo ago

Melatonic 6mo ago

How does it determine they are well known and not just similar looking?

dktp 6mo ago
I don't know tbh. I've tried it on 10-20 various level of famous standups and Gemini refuses every time Just for testing, I just tried this https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_KJdP4FLGTo/sddefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_KJdP4FLGTo/sddefault.jpg ("Redesign this image in a brutalist graphic design style"). Gemini refuses (api as well as UI), OpenAI does it
- arjie 6mo ago
  It's not super deterministic but it didn't fail once on my attempts. See: https://imgur.com/a/james-acaster-cold-lasagne-1R7fpzQ https://imgur.com/a/james-acaster-cold-lasagne-1R7fpzQ
  - dktp 6mo ago
    Very interesting. It fails every single time for me. I'm in Germany, maybe Google is stricter here? See https://imgur.com/a/77BRDQv https://imgur.com/a/77BRDQv
    - arjie 6mo ago
      That makes sense to me. I just Googled around like a fool and got here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#Germany It seems like they're trying to follow local law. What a nightmare to have to manage all jurisdictions around such a product. Surprised it didn't kill image generation entirely.
      - jliptzin 6mo ago
        Yea, especially when they know all that work will be completely pointless in a few years when open source / local models will be just as good and won't have any legal limitations, so people will be generating fake images of famous people like crazy with nothing stopping them
- Melatonic 6mo ago
  What if you change the prompt to tell it specifically its not a famous person? Or try it without text?
yreg 6mo ago
Gemini often rejects photos of random people (even ones it generated itself) because it thinks they look too similar to some well known person.
BoorishBears 6mo ago
There are models specifically for detecting well known people https://docs.aws.amazon.com/rekognition/latest/dg/celebrities.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/rekognition/latest/dg/celebritie...

vunderba 6mo ago

Are you using Google Gemini directly? I've found the Vertex API seems to be significantly less strict.

qingcharles 5mo ago

OpenAI wouldn't make me a Looney Tunes Roadrunner Martin Scorsese "Absolute Cinema" parody, but Gemini didn't blink about the trademark violation. Also, the output was really nice: https://imgur.com/a/Jclezyi https://imgur.com/a/Jclezyi