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It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. T
by chis 6mo ago
It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do.
To be specific: There's a new lower chassis, and a new chassis top with haptic touchpad. On my older framework I could buy just the chassis top to get the new touchpad. Crazy that they could make that work.
I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-scripted public presentations nerding out over the new devices and shouting out specific team members who did the designs. Really hope the company is doing well.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxgCEpkiKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxgCEpkiKM
- tuckerman 6mo agoMy heart sank when they said 13 pro and then to see that so much is backwards compatible was amazing. It's quite refreshing to see a company live up to their mission so well.
- cogman10 6mo agoYeah, really impressive to see that you can take a 13 and turn it into a 13 pro with just a few new parts. I've just ordered my own 13 pro. I've been waiting for a laptop and this ticks all the boxes. I'd previously ordered a new dell xps laptop and ultimately returned it because the keyboard was busted. I would have kept it if I could have swapped the keyboard for a new one. The use of LPCAMM is also really nice. I've hoped to see this standard start taking flight and I'm happy to grab a product with it included.
- Trollmann 6mo agoSame, though the battery upgrade alone will be around $260 because of the new bottom cover, at that might just throw in the speaker upgrade as well for $19. Not sure if I even want a haptic touchpad at all.
- ghqst 6mo agoHaptic trackpads are the secret sauce that make MacBooks so pleasant to use. You probably want one.
- chao- 6mo agoThere is no accounting for taste. For instance, I still prefer discrete buttons over tap-clicks or multi-finger-taps, but I would accept the mild annoyance of tap clicks over the pressing down the pad itself.
- pmontra 6mo agoIt's a matter of preferences. Actually I like trackpads that don't mind and have physical buttons. The separation between the surface that moves the pointer on screen and the surfaces that generate the clicks means that there are no misclicks and no involuntary pointer movements while clicking.
- Gigachad 6mo agoThe MacBook software is so good that I’ve never had issues with misclicks or movement despite your palms sitting on it while typing. Long ago I installed Linux on a MacBook and found it unusable because of clicks and movement while typing. It’s probably improved these days though.
- rolymath 6mo agoSpoken like someone who has never used a haptic trackpad.
- cassepipe 6mo agoSo you if you want the newer bottom you have to upgrade the battery is what you're saying ?
- riknos314 6mo agoThe new battery is physically larger, so the old bottom cannot accommodate it.
- cassepipe 6mo agoOh right but if I want to keep everything but the chassis I can, correct ?
- _-_-__-_-_- 6mo agoThis page has more details, https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro https://frame.work/laptop13pro?tab=upgrade-to-pro. You can keep everything, but they are selling some of the new parts as a kit.
- cbsmith 6mo agoMore like the reverse: if you want the new battery you need a new bottom.
- steveBK123 6mo agoI'm not in the market for a Windows or Linux machine myself, but the way this company operates I feel like supporting them with a purchase at some point regardless.. maybe their Desktop tower
- drywipes 6mo agoI was screaming at my screen when I heard 13 Pro but I am now ever so happy when they mentioned being able to just replace, part-by-part, a regular Framework 13 into a Framework 13 Pro.
- unclad5968 6mo agoIsnt that the entire value proposition of the company?
- simonjgreen 6mo agoThat doesn’t negate how impressive it is
- amelius 6mo agoYes, saying you will do X and then doing X is more impressive than just doing X.
- simonjgreen 6mo agoIsn't it sad that we are surrounded by so many broken promises that that is remarkable
- pdpi 6mo agoUnfortunately, we live in a world where most companies pay lip service to their stated value proposition, while racing to the bottom.
- cge 6mo ago>It's so cool that every individual upgrade they did here can be hot-swapped back to the older designs. That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. Unfortunately, as is usual for them (edit: and it makes sense; I'm not blaming them), the parts and upgrade kits aren't available for ordering (edit: or pre-ordering) yet, and likely won't be for some time, until the actual laptops are shipping. But yes, this is amazing, and the new pieces are not things I was expecting from them. As soon as it's available, I'll be taking my relatively recent AMD mainboard and putting it in a new chassis+battery+keyboard+speakers+touchpad, possibly skipping the display (I don't care much about a touchscreen, but I do care about display quality, so I'll wait for comparisons to the current 2.8k display). My laptop will, at that point, be almost entirely in a Ship of Theseus situation: I think that only the bezel and some of the expansion cards will be from the original, first-generation laptop I bought from them. That mainboard runs a number of services for me, along with an older display. A second, newer one is waiting for RAM to be a reasonable price (since the RAM it was using is now on my current mainboard); I had planned to use it for some of my research, but maybe I'll end up putting it into this older chassis and have a spare laptop again. That all this is possible is wonderful, and a credit to them in staying true to their stated ideals.
- reaperducer 6mo agoUnfortunately, as is usual for them, the parts and upgrade kits aren't available for ordering yet, and likely won't be for some time, until the actual laptops are shipping. It's unfortunate that they can't sell you something that hasn't been manufactured? That doesn't yet exist? HN is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to complain about.
- cge 6mo agoI had meant they aren't available even for pre-ordering, and likely won't be until the laptops are either regularly shipping rather than shipping in numbered batches, or are on a high-numbered batch. This could be months after the actual laptops start shipping. This is a process I've been through a few times at this point. It also wasn't really meant as a substantial complaint about Framework, and more just a mention of an understandable annoyance: it makes sense that they'd prioritize getting full laptops shipped. On the other hand, nrp, since you're likely to be in this thread: if you had pre-orders and/or batched shipments of parts/upgrade kits, I would likely be paying a deposit or even the full price today, rather than ordering in a few months. Even if that meant ordering a full upgrade kit with a new display, but getting the upgrade sooner, I'd probably still go for it.
- Esophagus4 6mo ago> shouting out specific team members who did the designs Inside the case somewhere on mine there was a list of all the names of the people who worked on it. Was pretty cool.
- jszymborski 6mo ago> That's a huge extra lift that they didn't have to do. It's sorta essential imo if they want to make good on their one value-prop: repairability and the good will that comes with it. If they start releasing a tonne of SKUs with a million different parts, they'll inevitably have to sunset parts at a clip that'll completely make useless their repairability claims. I am a happy Framework laptop owner, but I paid a premium b/c I expect moves like this. If this would change, it would become just an over-priced laptop... might as well by another Thinkpad or Dell XPS. That said, I'm super happy they apparently have the good sense to see this. Not all companies make moves in their best interests.
- noosphr 6mo agoParts are open source. Other people can keep making them. There's franken think pads from China that use a x61 chassis made 15 years after the release. I had a soup of them before I moved to framework for my daily drivers.
- jychang 6mo agoThat's not open source. That's like decompiling closed source software years after support ended, in order to make a patch.
- bfivyvysj 6mo agoWeird to frame that as "their one value prop" as if the quality of their offering in general is just plain better. It comes at a premium thats my only gripe with it.
- setr 6mo agoIf it’s their only value proposition, then every other element is just plain worse. This is the only aspect that makes them not worthless.
- yencabulator 6mo agoNitpick: hot swap means without powering off. Not recommended for motherboards, batteries, RAM etc. The running electricity is the "hot" part, and without that it's just "swap".
- flakiness 6mo ago> I also just really admire the CEO for doing these semi-scripted public presentations +1. The less-scripted plus the lack of the pretending-reality-distortion personality is such a breeze.
- grep_name 6mo agoI have a framework 13. It looks like eventually you'll be able to upgrade the chassis to the pro one, including the battery, for under 200? Am I reading this right? That's borderline unbelievable to me
- universa1 6mo agoif you count all parts, bottom, keyboard, cover, battery its more like 500 to 600.
- zobzu 6mo agoyeah.. but.. it cost more overall. i can kust buy a brand new laptop every 3y and its cheaper if i stick to other brands.
- ThePowerOfFuet 6mo agoYeah, man. Who gives a fuck about e-waste and the environment anyway?
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- dheera 6mo agoI was really hoping for 6 USB-C ports, dual NVMe, a flush bezel, a better webcam, and most of all, I was hoping for a cooling design upgrade that doesn't cause the computer to self-roast if placed on top of a sofa due to ventilation blockage. Bleh.
- chias 6mo agoThis is great! Though in my case, since i have the very first generation they made, i probably need to upgrade every part of the thing so might as well just get a new one