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> but recovered nicely afterwards After Ives was fired/forced out/decided to leave to pursue his creative vision.

by ComputerGuru 5mo ago

iwontberude 5mo ago
I love that he instantly flopped repeatedly and showed it was actually Apple that was great all along.
- 33MHz-i486 5mo ago
  OpenAI acquired his company for Billions. maybe the products flopped but he did fine for himself personally
  - iwontberude 5mo ago
    Sure he made it into the Epstein class, whoopty fucking do
- tsunamifury 5mo ago
  This is, by far, the most insane take i've ever heard. The guy litterally built modern apple from the ground up in equal with Jobs.
  - vishnugupta 5mo ago
    Apparently it required someone with the personality and product taste of Jobs to rein in Ivy. Cook on the other hand being a logistics/operations guy didn’t have the similar skills and we ended up getting absolute shitshow of hardware products from apple in late 2010s. Thankfully he was fired and sanity prevailed which coincided with Apple Silicon line professors. The MacBook Pro that was immediate predecessor to M1 series was by far Apple’s worst hardware. It was bad on nearly every count.
    - dkga 5mo ago
      I have one such mac. Things I like: the keyboard feels smooth, the speakers are great and the touchbar (yes you read correctly). Things that make me partially agree with this post I am responding to: annoying overheating, including when I plug an external monitor (!); the camera was really subpar, it always seemed as if I was facetiming using a 2002 cybershot rather than a 2019 MacBook Pro; the screen has nice colours but very easily feels smudgy. Other than this, I love using that computer as a secondary device.
    - DonHopkins 5mo ago
      For what it's worth, the Intel MacBook Pro Espresso Machine and Milk Foamer Expansion Dock that water cooled the CPU while making you a hot fresh latte was pretty useful. The M4 just isn't capable of working up a proper head of steam.
    - tsunamifury 5mo ago
      Apple grew into the best selling laptop in the world in this era. How do you justify such a take?
      - deleted 5mo ago
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  - jordanb 5mo ago
    Ive got way more credit than he deserved. And he had to run all his ideas by Jobs. Once Jobs was gone we got to see Ive's true colors (it was garish pastels and a butterfly keyboard). https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/ https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/
    - tsunamifury 5mo ago
      He has designed 4 consumer prodocts that a good portion of humanity use every day. By every measure he is the most successful product creator in the history of humanity, no single other product comes close to impact and quality. (Believe it or not the Dorritos Locos Taco is likely the closest 5th place product) The arrogance on hacker news is insane, or the self agrandizement and misunderstanding of how rare that is. You have likely never done 1/1,000,000,000th of the scale or impact of this designer and then make flippant remarks that belay your ignorance of the matter. I really would like to understand what your thought process is here. This is quite litterally like saying Michael Jordan was a pretty poor Basketball player and claiming Jerry Reinsdorf was somehow the real reason he succeeded.
      - geodel 5mo ago
        Big difference is comparing to sports is millions of people can see with their own eyes the performance of a player in arena. All motivated media can't create a narrative of brilliance when bad performance is there to see. In case Jony Ive or others like him, we simply do not know how many dozens or hundreds of very talented engineers and designers worked relentlessly under him so he can do beautiful presentations in British English. Another person comes to my mind is Marissa Meyers. "Brilliant Executive" known for keeping Google Home page clean that's visited by billion people. But we all know how great she was when ended up at Yahoo.
        tsunamifury 5mo ago
        I worked with both, I very much know why Marissa was consiered a fake and Ive's very small team of 10 was considered the best in the industry. Its all also well published and covered fact. I am genuinely shocked someone could have such a insistantly foolish take.
  - philistine 5mo ago
    People age and change; Jony Ive overstayed his tenure at Apple, through no fault of his own. Cook, not being a product guy, kept Ive with massive incentives. Build Apple Park, take care of software, here's a bunch more stock. That led to very misguided products. Laptops without MagSafe. Ever so thin phones for no benefit. A pen that charges in the most insane way. Ive should have left shortly after the death of Steve. He was creatively spent at Apple.
  - iwontberude 5mo ago
    Absolute bullshit.
- TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago
  He didn't flop. He's had a number of high-status bespoke projects, including the coronation logo for King Charles and a redesign of Christie's (auction house) podium. He's not doing commoditised consumer design any more. He has enough money now, so he no longer needs to. The most consumer-oriented work recently has been an interior for the new Ferrari Luce EV. I agree his post-Jobs years at Apple were somewhere between mediocre and hopeless (gradients...) and not many people seem to miss him. Although to be fair, he wasn't responsible for Liquid Glass, which has set the bar for design failure at Apple to new depths.
  - iwontberude 5mo ago
    Liquid Glass is fine for me and the people I talk to, I didn't even notice it happened when the upgrade happened and so many people have been complaining.

> but recovered nicely afterwards After Ives was fired/forced out/decided to leave to pursue his creative vision.

iwontberude 5mo ago

I love that he instantly flopped repeatedly and showed it was actually Apple that was great all along.

33MHz-i486 5mo ago
OpenAI acquired his company for Billions. maybe the products flopped but he did fine for himself personally
- iwontberude 5mo ago
  Sure he made it into the Epstein class, whoopty fucking do
tsunamifury 5mo ago
This is, by far, the most insane take i've ever heard. The guy litterally built modern apple from the ground up in equal with Jobs.
- vishnugupta 5mo ago
  Apparently it required someone with the personality and product taste of Jobs to rein in Ivy. Cook on the other hand being a logistics/operations guy didn’t have the similar skills and we ended up getting absolute shitshow of hardware products from apple in late 2010s. Thankfully he was fired and sanity prevailed which coincided with Apple Silicon line professors. The MacBook Pro that was immediate predecessor to M1 series was by far Apple’s worst hardware. It was bad on nearly every count.
  - dkga 5mo ago
    I have one such mac. Things I like: the keyboard feels smooth, the speakers are great and the touchbar (yes you read correctly). Things that make me partially agree with this post I am responding to: annoying overheating, including when I plug an external monitor (!); the camera was really subpar, it always seemed as if I was facetiming using a 2002 cybershot rather than a 2019 MacBook Pro; the screen has nice colours but very easily feels smudgy. Other than this, I love using that computer as a secondary device.
  - DonHopkins 5mo ago
    For what it's worth, the Intel MacBook Pro Espresso Machine and Milk Foamer Expansion Dock that water cooled the CPU while making you a hot fresh latte was pretty useful. The M4 just isn't capable of working up a proper head of steam.
  - tsunamifury 5mo ago
    Apple grew into the best selling laptop in the world in this era. How do you justify such a take?
    - deleted 5mo ago
      [deleted]
- jordanb 5mo ago
  Ive got way more credit than he deserved. And he had to run all his ideas by Jobs. Once Jobs was gone we got to see Ive's true colors (it was garish pastels and a butterfly keyboard). https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/ https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/
  - tsunamifury 5mo ago
    He has designed 4 consumer prodocts that a good portion of humanity use every day. By every measure he is the most successful product creator in the history of humanity, no single other product comes close to impact and quality. (Believe it or not the Dorritos Locos Taco is likely the closest 5th place product) The arrogance on hacker news is insane, or the self agrandizement and misunderstanding of how rare that is. You have likely never done 1/1,000,000,000th of the scale or impact of this designer and then make flippant remarks that belay your ignorance of the matter. I really would like to understand what your thought process is here. This is quite litterally like saying Michael Jordan was a pretty poor Basketball player and claiming Jerry Reinsdorf was somehow the real reason he succeeded.
    - geodel 5mo ago
      Big difference is comparing to sports is millions of people can see with their own eyes the performance of a player in arena. All motivated media can't create a narrative of brilliance when bad performance is there to see. In case Jony Ive or others like him, we simply do not know how many dozens or hundreds of very talented engineers and designers worked relentlessly under him so he can do beautiful presentations in British English. Another person comes to my mind is Marissa Meyers. "Brilliant Executive" known for keeping Google Home page clean that's visited by billion people. But we all know how great she was when ended up at Yahoo.
      - tsunamifury 5mo ago
        I worked with both, I very much know why Marissa was consiered a fake and Ive's very small team of 10 was considered the best in the industry. Its all also well published and covered fact. I am genuinely shocked someone could have such a insistantly foolish take.
- philistine 5mo ago
  People age and change; Jony Ive overstayed his tenure at Apple, through no fault of his own. Cook, not being a product guy, kept Ive with massive incentives. Build Apple Park, take care of software, here's a bunch more stock. That led to very misguided products. Laptops without MagSafe. Ever so thin phones for no benefit. A pen that charges in the most insane way. Ive should have left shortly after the death of Steve. He was creatively spent at Apple.
- iwontberude 5mo ago
  Absolute bullshit.
TheOtherHobbes 5mo ago
He didn't flop. He's had a number of high-status bespoke projects, including the coronation logo for King Charles and a redesign of Christie's (auction house) podium. He's not doing commoditised consumer design any more. He has enough money now, so he no longer needs to. The most consumer-oriented work recently has been an interior for the new Ferrari Luce EV. I agree his post-Jobs years at Apple were somewhere between mediocre and hopeless (gradients...) and not many people seem to miss him. Although to be fair, he wasn't responsible for Liquid Glass, which has set the bar for design failure at Apple to new depths.
- iwontberude 5mo ago
  Liquid Glass is fine for me and the people I talk to, I didn't even notice it happened when the upgrade happened and so many people have been complaining.