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> other things (alcohol) that cause problems and are not being restricted Alcohol is heavily restricted, though. You can't sell it to minors, younger minors ca

> other things (alcohol) that cause problems and are not being restricted Alcohol is heavily restricted, though. You can't sell it to minors, younger minors can't drink it in public, you can't sell/buy/make it above a certain proof, you can only resell it from authorized distributors, it is taxes, and so on. Sure, banning cigarettes for a specific generation is a much more stringent restriction, but plenty of other restrictions exist.

noduerme 6mo ago
what if they told you your kids would never be allowed to have a drink?
- mingus88 6mo ago
  I’m having a hard time coming up with a better way. Simply banning all manufacturing and import is not going to work when it’s heavily addictive. In the case of alcohol, quitting cold can kill you. Banning it today and expecting people to cope, or attempt to fund recovery efforts for a whole nation would completely misunderstand the addicts mind. If you don’t want to quit, you never will. Instead we have a total ban that is timeboxed to allow the addicts the rest of their lives to quit one way or another.
- voidUpdate 6mo ago
  Sounds good to me...
  - temp0826 6mo ago
    In huge agreement with you. But can it be done in a different way that doesn't create the black market problems of the prohibition era? (Do we have a better chance now with gen z's aversion to drugs/alcohol?)
    - troad 6mo ago
      Don't mistake media narratives about small percentage point swings for mass momentum. Especially when those swings are probably not even real: e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/mar/05/gen-z-binge-drinking-triples-since-teens https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/mar/05/gen-z-binge-...
- herbst 6mo ago
  Awesome! Where can I sign?
  - nslsm 6mo ago
    It’s awesome to decide what your children, once they are adults, can’t do? Seems borderline psychopathic. Kinda sums up democracy in current times though.
    - sebastiennight 6mo ago
      > It’s awesome to decide what your children, once they are adults, can’t do? You do realize that this is what basically every single law in existence does, right? That my kids, and likely yours, once they're adults, can't drive under the influence, rob a bank, impersonate a cop, lie under oath, exercise medecine without a licence, walk downtown naked, jaywalk, evade taxes, criticize the King?
      - protimewaster 6mo ago
        I've seen confusion about this before with people that I know. You tell them it's against the law to drink, and they'll point out that it's restrictive and controlling. You tell them it's against the law to commit tax fraud, and they'll have no objection. Why? I think, at least with the people that I know, it's related to what they want to be able to do. They want to be able to drink alcohol, so it feels controlling to tell them they can't. They aren't interested in committing tax fraud, so they're not bothered by that being restricted.
        mothballed 6mo ago
        If you check it the other way around, you'll get consistency. Almost everyone that is against taxation is also against restrictions on consuming drink. If you ask an addict then yeah you'll get some gibberish that enables them whether it fits into a logical paradigm or not.
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- angra_mainyu 6mo ago
  I'd probably start learning how to homebrew beer.
- vor_ 6mo ago
  Sounds like a great way to avoid alcohol addiction, prevent drunk driving deaths, and save countless generations from being negatively impacted in one way or another by alcohol.
  - greygoo222 6mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_Stat...
    - dzhiurgis 6mo ago
      Different apples. Cessation vs never starting is completely different. A lot of young people don't drink anymore anyway tho. It's not as extreme as it sounds. As someone who's been sober for only 16 months, not sure how I feel about this. It is surely unrealistic.
    - za3faran 6mo ago
      Apples to oranges. It worked (and works) with the advent of Islam in Muslim lands.
  - theodric 6mo ago
    Prohibition doesn't work because people want to modulate their consciousness, chemically force-relax, reduce inhibitions, etc. It didn't work before, and it won't in the future. The more things are forbidden, the more taboo and attractive they become. This banal, smiling, petty authoritarianism sickens me. Bodily autonomy trumps "common good" arguments, and where it somehow doesn't, injustice abides. Society's job isn't to crush individualism in order to create the safest and most financially efficient outcome. Shall we throw everyone in prison for their safety and protection next, and control their diet to ensure maximum healthspan and potential for participation in the labor market? Rather than banning anything, point out at an early age that cigarettes stink, get you addicted, cost money forever, and cause health problems. Point out that alcohol makes you fat and causes heart problems and cancer. The accept that each person has the right to make a decision for themselves about what risks they're willing to accept to achieve a desired outcome, and that they have to own those consequences. Don't want to pay for smokers' lung cancer treatment? Then only fund palliative care for smoking-related cancers. Man enough to smoke a pack a day, man enough to buy smokers' insurance. There, now we can live free.
- dogpuncher 6mo ago
  But "they" aren't. So your point is irrelevant.
- dzhiurgis 6mo ago
  Maybe start by tracking consumption against their ID. Tho that creates significant black market incentive. Other option is only serving ultra light drinks (2.5% beer, cider, sangria or cocktail).
owlcompliance 6mo ago
Big difference between banning something outright and regulating a substance.
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
  > Big difference between banning something outright and regulating a substance One could frame this as a substance regulation for anyone under 18, with the age moving one year every year henceforth.
  - MaxikCZ 6mo ago
    Thats like saying somebody is poking you with a stick while its really getting smashed by a baseball bat.
  - owlcompliance 6mo ago
    Nah - you're coping, respectfully.
  - burnerzzzzz 6mo ago
    One could. Trump just lowered the price of a drug by 600% after all.
subscribed 6mo ago
In the UK you can legally serve your 6 yo alcohol in your own or your friend's house. What's heavily restricted is the sale and consumption in most public spaces.

noduerme 6mo ago

what if they told you your kids would never be allowed to have a drink?

mingus88 6mo ago
I’m having a hard time coming up with a better way. Simply banning all manufacturing and import is not going to work when it’s heavily addictive. In the case of alcohol, quitting cold can kill you. Banning it today and expecting people to cope, or attempt to fund recovery efforts for a whole nation would completely misunderstand the addicts mind. If you don’t want to quit, you never will. Instead we have a total ban that is timeboxed to allow the addicts the rest of their lives to quit one way or another.
voidUpdate 6mo ago
Sounds good to me...
- temp0826 6mo ago
  In huge agreement with you. But can it be done in a different way that doesn't create the black market problems of the prohibition era? (Do we have a better chance now with gen z's aversion to drugs/alcohol?)
  - troad 6mo ago
    Don't mistake media narratives about small percentage point swings for mass momentum. Especially when those swings are probably not even real: e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/mar/05/gen-z-binge-drinking-triples-since-teens https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/mar/05/gen-z-binge-...
herbst 6mo ago
Awesome! Where can I sign?
- nslsm 6mo ago
  It’s awesome to decide what your children, once they are adults, can’t do? Seems borderline psychopathic. Kinda sums up democracy in current times though.
  - sebastiennight 6mo ago
    > It’s awesome to decide what your children, once they are adults, can’t do? You do realize that this is what basically every single law in existence does, right? That my kids, and likely yours, once they're adults, can't drive under the influence, rob a bank, impersonate a cop, lie under oath, exercise medecine without a licence, walk downtown naked, jaywalk, evade taxes, criticize the King?
    - protimewaster 6mo ago
      I've seen confusion about this before with people that I know. You tell them it's against the law to drink, and they'll point out that it's restrictive and controlling. You tell them it's against the law to commit tax fraud, and they'll have no objection. Why? I think, at least with the people that I know, it's related to what they want to be able to do. They want to be able to drink alcohol, so it feels controlling to tell them they can't. They aren't interested in committing tax fraud, so they're not bothered by that being restricted.
      - mothballed 6mo ago
        If you check it the other way around, you'll get consistency. Almost everyone that is against taxation is also against restrictions on consuming drink. If you ask an addict then yeah you'll get some gibberish that enables them whether it fits into a logical paradigm or not.
      - deleted 6mo ago
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angra_mainyu 6mo ago
I'd probably start learning how to homebrew beer.
vor_ 6mo ago
Sounds like a great way to avoid alcohol addiction, prevent drunk driving deaths, and save countless generations from being negatively impacted in one way or another by alcohol.
- greygoo222 6mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_Stat...
  - dzhiurgis 6mo ago
    Different apples. Cessation vs never starting is completely different. A lot of young people don't drink anymore anyway tho. It's not as extreme as it sounds. As someone who's been sober for only 16 months, not sure how I feel about this. It is surely unrealistic.
  - za3faran 6mo ago
    Apples to oranges. It worked (and works) with the advent of Islam in Muslim lands.
- theodric 6mo ago
  Prohibition doesn't work because people want to modulate their consciousness, chemically force-relax, reduce inhibitions, etc. It didn't work before, and it won't in the future. The more things are forbidden, the more taboo and attractive they become. This banal, smiling, petty authoritarianism sickens me. Bodily autonomy trumps "common good" arguments, and where it somehow doesn't, injustice abides. Society's job isn't to crush individualism in order to create the safest and most financially efficient outcome. Shall we throw everyone in prison for their safety and protection next, and control their diet to ensure maximum healthspan and potential for participation in the labor market? Rather than banning anything, point out at an early age that cigarettes stink, get you addicted, cost money forever, and cause health problems. Point out that alcohol makes you fat and causes heart problems and cancer. The accept that each person has the right to make a decision for themselves about what risks they're willing to accept to achieve a desired outcome, and that they have to own those consequences. Don't want to pay for smokers' lung cancer treatment? Then only fund palliative care for smoking-related cancers. Man enough to smoke a pack a day, man enough to buy smokers' insurance. There, now we can live free.
dogpuncher 6mo ago
But "they" aren't. So your point is irrelevant.
dzhiurgis 6mo ago
Maybe start by tracking consumption against their ID. Tho that creates significant black market incentive. Other option is only serving ultra light drinks (2.5% beer, cider, sangria or cocktail).

owlcompliance 6mo ago

Big difference between banning something outright and regulating a substance.

JumpCrisscross 6mo ago
> Big difference between banning something outright and regulating a substance One could frame this as a substance regulation for anyone under 18, with the age moving one year every year henceforth.
- MaxikCZ 6mo ago
  Thats like saying somebody is poking you with a stick while its really getting smashed by a baseball bat.
- owlcompliance 6mo ago
  Nah - you're coping, respectfully.
- burnerzzzzz 6mo ago
  One could. Trump just lowered the price of a drug by 600% after all.

subscribed 6mo ago

In the UK you can legally serve your 6 yo alcohol in your own or your friend's house. What's heavily restricted is the sale and consumption in most public spaces.