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What does any deity have to do with it? Btw, has anyone done a post mortem analysis of that mandate? I wonder if it delivered what it promised. I doubt it:

by eru 7mo ago

What does any deity have to do with it? Btw, has anyone done a post mortem analysis of that mandate? I wonder if it delivered what it promised. I doubt it: All they saved consumers from is buying a 5 dollar replacement cable. The EU certainly hasn't done such an assessment yet. The predicted savings of a quarter billion Euro come mostly from unbundling chargers, which they could have forced down customers throats without also making technical mandates about how customers are allowed to charge.

thrownthatway 7mo ago
Not even that. Consumers still need to buy replacement cables, because they break. And the USB-C cable end connector is a fragile piece of shit designed by committee and forced upon everyone buy another committee, neither of which must’ve had a single mechanic engineer even once walk passed their bike shed. Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. Or some other equally as dreadful outcome befitting the UBS-C Bike Shed & Enforcement Committee formerly know as the European Union.
- eru 7mo ago
  I don't mind USB-C. Most of my devices have USB-C charging, and it works well. I mind bureaucrats locking that in. > Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. Haha, what? I like to complain about this piece of legislation, but it's not that important. And it's not like Russia has better policy. Oh, just the opposite. (Like waging wars they can't win, or running crazy high corruption.)
  - thrownthatway 7mo ago
    Thanks for decontextualising that paragraph by not including the following paragraph. I really appreciate it, keep up with the good work. Bloody Clippers. You always got to watch out for the Clippers, they’ll take whatever you say or write and clip it out of context and make it mean something completely different to what you really said. The European Union will fall to Russia while they're looking for a USB-C charge cable that works, or looking for a charged swappable battery for their MANPADs.
    - Toutouxc 7mo ago
      There’s nothing important in the last paragraph.
    - eru 7mo ago
      > Thanks for decontextualising that paragraph by not including the following paragraph. Eh, you know that people can just scroll up? > The European Union will fall to Russia while they're looking for a USB-C charge cable that works, or looking for a charged swappable battery for their MANPADs. Are you willing to bet on this?
      - thrownthatway 7mo ago
        Yeah, sure, $10? $10 says that by 2040 Europe will institute massive concessions to Russia for helping deal with the Islamic Caliphate in Europe. Which wouldn’t have happened if Europe had been paying more attention to stuff that mattered, and less on which charge port people had on their phones.
        eru 7mo ago
        What odds are you offering? At 1:1 I'm very willing to bet. We just need to nail down exactly what 'massive concessions to Russia for helping deal with the Islamic Caliphate in Europe' means in a way a neutral third party can adjudicate.
- fl4regun 7mo ago
  I don't understand your issue with USB C. Mini and micro USB connectors routinely got loose and fell out of multiple devices I owned, USB C is everywhere now and I have not encountered such issues.
  - thrownthatway 7mo ago
    The Lighnting connector and its port are superior in every way.
    - eru 7mo ago
      Physically, maybe. (I don't know.) Legally and economically, I don't think Samsung can just use lightning without having to pay Apple.
      - thrownthatway 7mo ago
        Without the EU mandate, perhaps I would still have a Lightning port in my instead of the currently broken USB-C port. I never had a Lightning port fail.
        eru 7mo ago
        Good on you! I just wish that all of them would be legal, and consumer like you be allowed to pick what they like best.
    - ChoGGi 7mo ago
      That's the one where the springs are on the device instead of the cable yea?
    - fl4regun 7mo ago
      how so? I genuinely don't understand, as someone who has a phone with the lightning connector and other devices with USB C
  - account42 6mo ago
- sham1 7mo ago
  > Not even that. > > Consumers still need to buy replacement cables, because they break. > > And the USB-C cable end connector is a fragile piece of shit designed by committee and forced upon everyone buy another committee, neither of which must’ve had a single mechanic engineer even once walk passed their bike shed. Well, the USB committee did ask Apple for the superior connector, but for whatever reason they said no. So we're stuck with this. OTOH, USB-C is not nearly as bad as your bizarre post would seem to imply. It could be better, but as we know from experience with things like micro-USB, it could be much, much worse. > Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. > > Or some other equally as dreadful outcome befitting the UBS-C Bike Shed & Enforcement Committee formerly know as the European Union. Russia can't even handle Ukraine, a country significantly smaller in population, economy, and land area than Russia. And you think that they could take on the EU‽ A block, mind you, which has more population and a significantly larger economy. Oh, also nukes. And you think that the EU would fall in this case because of... USB-C? Please explain the mechanism which would lead to this situation.
  - eru 7mo ago
    > Well, the USB committee did ask Apple for the superior connector, but for whatever reason they said no. So we're stuck with this. They didn't need to ban all other connectors..
    - ssl-3 7mo ago
      Apple switched to USB C years before legal standardization took place. (actually, which single-vendor connector are we mourning, here? I forget.)
      - eru 7mo ago
        Yes, Apple switched to USB-C for some of their stuff. So I'm not quite so sure why the EU needed to outlaw alternative chargers.
clownpenis_fart 7mo ago
Unbundling charger without standardizing the connectors would result in every manufacturer using their own proprietary bespoke charging connectors. Which is exactly what the situation was before usb was made mandatory. How much cool aid do you have to drink to genuinely believe the corporate argument that using proprietary connectors is "innovative"?
- eru 7mo ago
  > Unbundling charger without standardizing the connectors would result in every manufacturer using their own proprietary bespoke charging connectors. Which is exactly what the situation was before usb was made mandatory. Eh, no? USB-C was already pretty much the standard before, and you could plug in lightning cable with a cheap adapter cable.

by eru 7mo ago

thrownthatway 7mo ago

Not even that. Consumers still need to buy replacement cables, because they break. And the USB-C cable end connector is a fragile piece of shit designed by committee and forced upon everyone buy another committee, neither of which must’ve had a single mechanic engineer even once walk passed their bike shed. Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. Or some other equally as dreadful outcome befitting the UBS-C Bike Shed & Enforcement Committee formerly know as the European Union.

eru 7mo ago
I don't mind USB-C. Most of my devices have USB-C charging, and it works well. I mind bureaucrats locking that in. > Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. Haha, what? I like to complain about this piece of legislation, but it's not that important. And it's not like Russia has better policy. Oh, just the opposite. (Like waging wars they can't win, or running crazy high corruption.)
- thrownthatway 7mo ago
  Thanks for decontextualising that paragraph by not including the following paragraph. I really appreciate it, keep up with the good work. Bloody Clippers. You always got to watch out for the Clippers, they’ll take whatever you say or write and clip it out of context and make it mean something completely different to what you really said. The European Union will fall to Russia while they're looking for a USB-C charge cable that works, or looking for a charged swappable battery for their MANPADs.
  - Toutouxc 7mo ago
    There’s nothing important in the last paragraph.
  - eru 7mo ago
    > Thanks for decontextualising that paragraph by not including the following paragraph. Eh, you know that people can just scroll up? > The European Union will fall to Russia while they're looking for a USB-C charge cable that works, or looking for a charged swappable battery for their MANPADs. Are you willing to bet on this?
    - thrownthatway 7mo ago
      Yeah, sure, $10? $10 says that by 2040 Europe will institute massive concessions to Russia for helping deal with the Islamic Caliphate in Europe. Which wouldn’t have happened if Europe had been paying more attention to stuff that mattered, and less on which charge port people had on their phones.
      - eru 7mo ago
        What odds are you offering? At 1:1 I'm very willing to bet. We just need to nail down exactly what 'massive concessions to Russia for helping deal with the Islamic Caliphate in Europe' means in a way a neutral third party can adjudicate.
fl4regun 7mo ago
I don't understand your issue with USB C. Mini and micro USB connectors routinely got loose and fell out of multiple devices I owned, USB C is everywhere now and I have not encountered such issues.
- thrownthatway 7mo ago
  The Lighnting connector and its port are superior in every way.
  - eru 7mo ago
    Physically, maybe. (I don't know.) Legally and economically, I don't think Samsung can just use lightning without having to pay Apple.
    - thrownthatway 7mo ago
      Without the EU mandate, perhaps I would still have a Lightning port in my instead of the currently broken USB-C port. I never had a Lightning port fail.
      - eru 7mo ago
        Good on you! I just wish that all of them would be legal, and consumer like you be allowed to pick what they like best.
  - ChoGGi 7mo ago
    That's the one where the springs are on the device instead of the cable yea?
  - fl4regun 7mo ago
    how so? I genuinely don't understand, as someone who has a phone with the lightning connector and other devices with USB C
- account42 6mo ago
sham1 7mo ago
> Not even that. > > Consumers still need to buy replacement cables, because they break. > > And the USB-C cable end connector is a fragile piece of shit designed by committee and forced upon everyone buy another committee, neither of which must’ve had a single mechanic engineer even once walk passed their bike shed. Well, the USB committee did ask Apple for the superior connector, but for whatever reason they said no. So we're stuck with this. OTOH, USB-C is not nearly as bad as your bizarre post would seem to imply. It could be better, but as we know from experience with things like micro-USB, it could be much, much worse. > Future historians will do a postmortem on the EU and discover the USB-C enforcement act as an inflection point that marked the downer trend to the EU’s eventual collapse, and the reclamation of its land and people to the great nation of Russia, where it always belonged. > > Or some other equally as dreadful outcome befitting the UBS-C Bike Shed & Enforcement Committee formerly know as the European Union. Russia can't even handle Ukraine, a country significantly smaller in population, economy, and land area than Russia. And you think that they could take on the EU‽ A block, mind you, which has more population and a significantly larger economy. Oh, also nukes. And you think that the EU would fall in this case because of... USB-C? Please explain the mechanism which would lead to this situation.
- eru 7mo ago
  > Well, the USB committee did ask Apple for the superior connector, but for whatever reason they said no. So we're stuck with this. They didn't need to ban all other connectors..
  - ssl-3 7mo ago
    Apple switched to USB C years before legal standardization took place. (actually, which single-vendor connector are we mourning, here? I forget.)
    - eru 7mo ago
      Yes, Apple switched to USB-C for some of their stuff. So I'm not quite so sure why the EU needed to outlaw alternative chargers.

clownpenis_fart 7mo ago

Unbundling charger without standardizing the connectors would result in every manufacturer using their own proprietary bespoke charging connectors. Which is exactly what the situation was before usb was made mandatory. How much cool aid do you have to drink to genuinely believe the corporate argument that using proprietary connectors is "innovative"?

eru 7mo ago
> Unbundling charger without standardizing the connectors would result in every manufacturer using their own proprietary bespoke charging connectors. Which is exactly what the situation was before usb was made mandatory. Eh, no? USB-C was already pretty much the standard before, and you could plug in lightning cable with a cheap adapter cable.