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Surely I cannot be the only one who finds some degree of humor in a bunch of nerds being put off by the first gen of "real" AI being much more like a charismati
by WarmWash 7mo ago
Surely I cannot be the only one who finds some degree of humor in a bunch of nerds being put off by the first gen of "real" AI being much more like a charismatic extroverted socialite than a strictly logical monotone robot.
- throwanem 7mo ago[flagged]
- Schiendelman 7mo agoI doubt you've ever thrown a drink in anyone's face, and I hope I'm right. This kind of thing isn't appropriate for HN.
- throwanem 7mo agoOh, good grief. Flag my comment, then. Per the HN guidelines that is the preferable action: > Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did. Of course I disagree with "egregious," did it need saying. After an insult like that, I promise you, no one in my bar would consider I had acted egregiously at all. But I admit it is a surprise to see you violate the site's discussion guidelines, in the very effort to enforce them.
- nandomrumber 7mo ago> After an insult like that Did I miss something?
- throwanem 7mo ago> "real" AI being much more like a charismatic extroverted socialite As I said in my opening clause here, I fit that description exactly, and "'real' AI," as my original interlocutor would have it, sounds nothing like me. The insult arises from the fact that "'real' AI" sounds nothing particularly like anyone, because it isn't any one: if it had eyes there would be nothing happening behind them. This is why it keeps driving people insane: there are cognitive vulnerabilities here which, for most humans, have until a couple of years ago been about as realistic to need to worry about as a literal alien invasion. To a human, being compared with something which can only pretend to humanity - and that not at all well! - is an insult. It should be an insult, too. Anyone is welcome to try and fail to convince me otherwise.
- thrownthatway 7mo ago> I fit that description exactly That’s what you think of yourself, but I dunno man, you just sound like a massive fuckwit. Did someone step in dogshit and walk through your living room, or is it just that time of month?
- vaginaphobic 7mo ago[dead]
- WarmWash 7mo agoPlease, I'm just a self aware nerd.
- throwanem 7mo agoNot nearly self-aware enough, if you were to go around saying such things to people in person. What a shocking insult, to tell someone their very voice sounds unhuman! I can't say you should never, of course, but I would hope very much you reserve such calumny only for when it has been thoroughly earned. But of course this is only a website, where there are in any case no drinks of any sort to go flying for any reason, and where such an ill-considered thing to say can receive a more reasoned response like this, instead.
- nandomrumber 7mo ago[flagged]
- 2muchcoffeeman 7mo agoIs this an AI response? Serious question. They’re taking a website comment a bit personally and threatening throwing drinks in peoples faces.
- throwanem 7mo agoYou're worried about me actually throwing a drink - 'threatening?' Really. - and I'm taking things too seriously? This is a website! It is, though, interesting to me that you see someone behave in a way you aren't expecting and don't quite know how to wrap your head around - no blame; it's a relatively common experience in my vicinity, though normal people typically enjoy it much more than those here - and your immediate recourse is to assume it must have been generated by AI. That's interesting indeed, and I greatly appreciate you sharing it.
- 2muchcoffeeman 7mo agoThe account is from 2016 maybe this is a real person. But you sound self important and a bit unhinged. It’s not that no one here can wrap their heads around such behaviour. It’s that your comments sounds like a troll response but could also be real.
- Borealid 7mo agoThe axis running from repulsive to charismatic, the axis running from hollow to richly meaningful, and the axis running from emotional to observable are not parallel to each other. A work of communication can be at any point along each of those three independent scales. You are implying they are all the same thing.
- dilutedh2o 7mo agohahaha amazing
- taurath 7mo agoIn a way, it’s a simulacrum of a saas b2b marketing consultant because that’s like half the internet’s personality
- refulgentis 7mo agoIt's funny but I'm on HN so I can't resist pointing out the joke doesn't math TFA, their argument is that the underlying internet distribution is trained away, not retained.
- yetihehe 7mo agoMaybe the real underlying distribution IS a lot of text from people just spewing out feel good words for socialising. I think that might be side effect of the fact that meaningful text is harder to make even for humans, so there is smaller quantity of meaningful text.
- throw4847285 7mo agoOr that even the people who believe they are making meaningful text on the internet, because of the constraints of the medium, are simply socializing in a different way.
- cindyllm 7mo ago[dead]
- Guvante 7mo agoI hate it because typically that style of writing was when someone cared about what they were writing. While it wasn't a great signal it was a decent one since no one bothered with garbage posts to phrase it nicely like that. Now any old prompt can become what at first glance is something someone spent time thinking about even if it is just slop made to look nice. This doesn't mean anything AI is bad, just that if AI made it look nice that isn't inductive of care in the underlying content.
- dualvariable 7mo agoI always felt like humans that were good at writing that way were often doing exactly what the LLM is doing. Making it sound good so that the human reader would draw all those same inferences. You've just had it exposed that it is easy to write very good-sounding slop. I really don't think the LLMs invented that.
- Barbing 7mo agoExposed, and also dominating the majority of text being “written” every day. Would we say they invented the scaling and spread potential of slop?
- Guvante 7mo agoRevisionist at best. Sure some people could write well but didn't have a clue but they failed to maintain interest since once you realized the author was no good you bounced once you saw their styled blog. Now they don't care as they only want the one view and likely won't even bother with more posts at the same site.
- watwut 7mo ago> I hate it because typically that style of writing was when someone cared about what they were writing. I dont understand these takes. The opposite is true - humans good at writing who care about writing never produced these kind of texts. People who dont care about writing, but need to crank up a lot of words would occasionally produce writing like that. Human slop existed before ai, but it was not the thing produced by people who write well and care.
- thomastjeffery 7mo agoThat's a great description of the boundary between logical deduction NLP and bullshitting NLP. I still have hope for the former. In fact, I think I might have figured out how to make it happen. Of course, if it works, the result won't be stubborn and monotone..
- Gud 7mo agoNot particularly charismatic, just looks a lot like the worst kind of yapping wannabe.
- watwut 7mo agoCharismatic extroverted socialites dont talk that way. They do not make mistakes like that.