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Your own YouTube link refutes your conclusion. in the first few sentences he states “The problem is not with EVs it’s with mandates” EVs are fine, yes they a

Your own YouTube link refutes your conclusion. in the first few sentences he states “The problem is not with EVs it’s with mandates” EVs are fine, yes they are still limited in some cases.

measurablefunc 6mo ago
The mandates won't fix the fundamental physical & material problems so I'll repeat what I said. EVs are never going to work at the scale of ICEs, the numbers don't work out. Regardless of any political "incentives", there is only a finite amount of copper & only finitely many cars that can be made w/ that amount of copper which has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources.
- barbazoo 6mo ago
  > Regardless of any political "incentives", there is only a finite amount of copper & only finitely many cars that can be made w/ that amount of copper which has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources. > the numbers don't work out What are the numbers? Are we running out of any of those? Are we not recycling enough materials?
- vel0city 6mo ago
  > there is only a finite amount of copper There is only a finite amount of oil as well. There is only a finite amount of aluminum and iron. There is only a finite amount of everything on this planet my dude. > has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources Technically speaking these don't always have to be entirely non-renewable processes. But let's also think: when the copper windings on some EV's motor are toast it can be recycled pretty much infinitely. How many times does that gallon of gasoline get recycled? Seems strange to have the copper be the thing so uniquely focused on. You're so focused on like 200lbs of copper that will be in the car the entire life of the car and can then be recycled after the life of the car, being so extremely concerned about how its such a finite resource. Meanwhile you just ignore than a 25mpg ICE car over a 200,000mi life will burn ~48,600lbs of gasoline, none of which is recoverable, and is also a finite resource. Which one should we me more concerned about using up? The one that's easily recyclable or the one that's not and will be consumed >240x as much? https://internationalcopper.org/sustainable-copper/about-copper/cu-demand-long-term-availability/ https://internationalcopper.org/sustainable-copper/about-cop... > Current copper resources are estimated to exceed 5,000 million tonnes That's ~50 billion EV cars worth of copper we roughly know about. There's probably more than that out there, we just haven't found it yet. It also just ignores all the copper we've already mined and is in the circular economy.
- wao0uuno 6mo ago
  Copper is a widely recycled metal. Is there not enough copper on earth to replace all ICE cars with EVs? Can you post some sources? And those numbers you keep talking about so I can verify if your calculator is working alright.
  - measurablefunc 6mo ago
    I already posted the link. You are welcome to verify the details for yourself by following up on what you take to be articles of faith. The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work.
    - vel0city 6mo ago
      Your link is an oil industry shill saying asinine things like EVs are too expensive because they have welds in their manufacturing processes. Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen. https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-billionaires-that-fund-the-texas-public-policy-foundation/ https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-... Dude is paid to throw out falsehoods and sow doubt and confusion on behalf of oil industry billionaires. > The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work The burden of proof is on you to share actual data of your claims there's not enough copper for EVs not ramblings of paid liars on a YouTube video. > following up on what you take to be articles of faith Hilarious you're suggesting him asking for actual data is him relying on blind articles of faith while your video is just a man rambling without any actual hard facts in a video, saying lots of things that just on their face make little sense.
      - measurablefunc 6mo ago
        You've convinced me, the data you have presented definitely makes it clear & obvious that Mark Mills is wrong & you are right.
        6mo ago

Your own YouTube link refutes your conclusion. in the first few sentences he states “The problem is not with EVs it’s with mandates” EVs are fine, yes they are still limited in some cases.

measurablefunc 6mo ago

The mandates won't fix the fundamental physical & material problems so I'll repeat what I said. EVs are never going to work at the scale of ICEs, the numbers don't work out. Regardless of any political "incentives", there is only a finite amount of copper & only finitely many cars that can be made w/ that amount of copper which has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources.

barbazoo 6mo ago
> Regardless of any political "incentives", there is only a finite amount of copper & only finitely many cars that can be made w/ that amount of copper which has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources. > the numbers don't work out What are the numbers? Are we running out of any of those? Are we not recycling enough materials?
vel0city 6mo ago
> there is only a finite amount of copper There is only a finite amount of oil as well. There is only a finite amount of aluminum and iron. There is only a finite amount of everything on this planet my dude. > has to be extracted & processed using non-renewable resources Technically speaking these don't always have to be entirely non-renewable processes. But let's also think: when the copper windings on some EV's motor are toast it can be recycled pretty much infinitely. How many times does that gallon of gasoline get recycled? Seems strange to have the copper be the thing so uniquely focused on. You're so focused on like 200lbs of copper that will be in the car the entire life of the car and can then be recycled after the life of the car, being so extremely concerned about how its such a finite resource. Meanwhile you just ignore than a 25mpg ICE car over a 200,000mi life will burn ~48,600lbs of gasoline, none of which is recoverable, and is also a finite resource. Which one should we me more concerned about using up? The one that's easily recyclable or the one that's not and will be consumed >240x as much? https://internationalcopper.org/sustainable-copper/about-copper/cu-demand-long-term-availability/ https://internationalcopper.org/sustainable-copper/about-cop... > Current copper resources are estimated to exceed 5,000 million tonnes That's ~50 billion EV cars worth of copper we roughly know about. There's probably more than that out there, we just haven't found it yet. It also just ignores all the copper we've already mined and is in the circular economy.
wao0uuno 6mo ago
Copper is a widely recycled metal. Is there not enough copper on earth to replace all ICE cars with EVs? Can you post some sources? And those numbers you keep talking about so I can verify if your calculator is working alright.
- measurablefunc 6mo ago
  I already posted the link. You are welcome to verify the details for yourself by following up on what you take to be articles of faith. The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work.
  - vel0city 6mo ago
    Your link is an oil industry shill saying asinine things like EVs are too expensive because they have welds in their manufacturing processes. Mark Mills is the founder of The National Center for Energy Analytics. Where do they get their funding? Groups like the Texas Public Policy Foundation. Where do they get their funding? That's right, billionaire oilmen. https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-billionaires-that-fund-the-texas-public-policy-foundation/ https://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-... Dude is paid to throw out falsehoods and sow doubt and confusion on behalf of oil industry billionaires. > The burden of proof is on you to explain why the numbers actually work The burden of proof is on you to share actual data of your claims there's not enough copper for EVs not ramblings of paid liars on a YouTube video. > following up on what you take to be articles of faith Hilarious you're suggesting him asking for actual data is him relying on blind articles of faith while your video is just a man rambling without any actual hard facts in a video, saying lots of things that just on their face make little sense.
    - measurablefunc 6mo ago
      You've convinced me, the data you have presented definitely makes it clear & obvious that Mark Mills is wrong & you are right.
      - 6mo ago