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With all due respect, I can buy a kit on iFixit for $55 for an iPhone 16 pro max, including the battery. I’ve replaced my iPhone battery before, aside from the

by wincy 6mo ago

With all due respect, I can buy a kit on iFixit for $55 for an iPhone 16 pro max, including the battery. I’ve replaced my iPhone battery before, aside from the glue being a bit sticky so needing a heat gun it isn’t that difficult.

FridayoLeary 6mo ago
And you can do it for much less if you want. I've replaced phone batteries with 6 dollars worth of tools and a hairdryer. You can buy glue or sticky gaskets for next to nothing as well if you care about waterproofing.
- leptons 6mo ago
  Most people are going to give up in 1 minute trying to open a smartphone. I can't imagine most people I know succeeding to replace the battery by themselves.
  - bombcar 6mo ago
    Most people I know would come to me to replace the battery in an old Thinkpad, and those were made to be easily removable!
bombcar 6mo ago
Which is fine - but the law is the law and will look at what Apple (et al) provide and document. (Thought Apple's $99 to do the repair themselves isn't terribly bad all things considered; and likely part of their attempt to forestall complaints and litigations).
metabagel 6mo ago
Heat gun? This isn't the type of consumer-friendly battery replacement which the EU is looking for.
- bombcar 6mo ago
  reminds me of finding an old scout manual that said "go to your neighborhood blacksmith" - different things are "easy" for different people.
  - solenoid0937 6mo ago
    The people that are scared of using a hairdryer on their iPhone, won't be willing to disassemble it either. We have got to stop coddling people. We don't need to compromise on everything just so it's fully maintainable and accessible by the lowest common denominator. This law is being designed for a group that frankly does not care either way, but makes the devices worse for them in a practical, day-to-day sense.
    - globular-toast 6mo ago
      Nah. I'm perfectly capable of using a heat gun. Still don't think it's the kind of thing I should have to do for general maintenance of a tool.
  - krick 6mo ago
    I'm curious what was this about.
- nearbuy 6mo ago
  You don't need a heat gun. A regular hair dryer is fine.
  - snet0 6mo ago
    A fine way to start a house fire, sure.
    - djhn 6mo ago
      Starting a fire with a hair dryer, without disassemblibg it, seems almost like a challenge. What are you going to ignite with 80-90°C warm, rapidly cooling air?
heatgunuh 6mo ago
> so needing a heat gun it isn’t that difficult. https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/
spaqin 6mo ago
I've replaced a battery in my 2019 Xiaomi phone for $5 (the costs of the battery), using basic tools - albeit the back was already ungluing itself, making that part easier. At 10x the price, it's hard not to call it a massive markup.
realityfactchex 6mo ago
Even with a good battery, bugs/features on the latest iOS can make iPhone 15 Pro Max battery last terribly, terribly short. Part of the new requirement should be they can't kill battery lifespan in 2-year old phones through software updates, either. Because even "replaceable battery" doesn't fix that serious problem!
cryptonym 6mo ago
Vendor or even model specific tools plus fighting with glue is not that complicated for someone willing to dedicate the effort, but it won't help recycling economy.

by wincy 6mo ago

FridayoLeary 6mo ago

And you can do it for much less if you want. I've replaced phone batteries with 6 dollars worth of tools and a hairdryer. You can buy glue or sticky gaskets for next to nothing as well if you care about waterproofing.

leptons 6mo ago
Most people are going to give up in 1 minute trying to open a smartphone. I can't imagine most people I know succeeding to replace the battery by themselves.
- bombcar 6mo ago
  Most people I know would come to me to replace the battery in an old Thinkpad, and those were made to be easily removable!

bombcar 6mo ago

Which is fine - but the law is the law and will look at what Apple (et al) provide and document. (Thought Apple's $99 to do the repair themselves isn't terribly bad all things considered; and likely part of their attempt to forestall complaints and litigations).

metabagel 6mo ago

Heat gun? This isn't the type of consumer-friendly battery replacement which the EU is looking for.

bombcar 6mo ago
reminds me of finding an old scout manual that said "go to your neighborhood blacksmith" - different things are "easy" for different people.
- solenoid0937 6mo ago
  The people that are scared of using a hairdryer on their iPhone, won't be willing to disassemble it either. We have got to stop coddling people. We don't need to compromise on everything just so it's fully maintainable and accessible by the lowest common denominator. This law is being designed for a group that frankly does not care either way, but makes the devices worse for them in a practical, day-to-day sense.
  - globular-toast 6mo ago
    Nah. I'm perfectly capable of using a heat gun. Still don't think it's the kind of thing I should have to do for general maintenance of a tool.
- krick 6mo ago
  I'm curious what was this about.
nearbuy 6mo ago
You don't need a heat gun. A regular hair dryer is fine.
- snet0 6mo ago
  A fine way to start a house fire, sure.
  - djhn 6mo ago
    Starting a fire with a hair dryer, without disassemblibg it, seems almost like a challenge. What are you going to ignite with 80-90°C warm, rapidly cooling air?

heatgunuh 6mo ago

> so needing a heat gun it isn’t that difficult. https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/

spaqin 6mo ago

I've replaced a battery in my 2019 Xiaomi phone for $5 (the costs of the battery), using basic tools - albeit the back was already ungluing itself, making that part easier. At 10x the price, it's hard not to call it a massive markup.

realityfactchex 6mo ago

Even with a good battery, bugs/features on the latest iOS can make iPhone 15 Pro Max battery last terribly, terribly short. Part of the new requirement should be they can't kill battery lifespan in 2-year old phones through software updates, either. Because even "replaceable battery" doesn't fix that serious problem!

cryptonym 6mo ago

Vendor or even model specific tools plus fighting with glue is not that complicated for someone willing to dedicate the effort, but it won't help recycling economy.