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Citation needed. All of those can be achieved with replaceable batteries.

pastel8739 6mo ago
Citation needed. It seems pretty clear that a mechanism to allow a user to access a battery will increase complexity, making all the other properties harder to achieve.
- dismalaf 6mo ago
  It'll increase the size of the case by a small amount but a battery cell is a battery cell... Rip open an old device and you'll see.
- realusername 6mo ago
  Fairphone managed to do it, I'm sure companies with more budget than them can figure it out.
  - jhasse 6mo ago
    Not water proof and definitely big for its capacity.
    - realusername 6mo ago
      Yes, hence why I'm sure companies with 100x the budget can do better.
- anonymars 6mo ago
  You're asking for proof that effective waterproof phones with removable batteries exist? https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkRemovableBattery=selected&sIPCerts=6,11 https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkRemovableBattery=sele...
  - nonethewiser 6mo ago
    You're proving the point. 1) iPhones for example are ip68 rated while those are just ipx8/9 2) Do you want to be limited to the universe of those search results? Do you want to buy a Sony Xperia? You can't make batteries directly replaceable at the same quality and price. There are tradeoffs. Obviously waterproof non-embedded batteries exist. Just like you could make a removable battery the same slimness as embedded. With massive tradeoffs. It's capacity will be terrible. No one is surprised a removable battery can be waterproof but the point is there are tradeoffs.
    - fsflover 6mo ago
      > just ipx8/9 Do you actually need it? For what?
      - carefulfungi 6mo ago
        Kinda weird to argue for longer life via battery replacement and against longer life via contaminant protections. My phone is regularly covered in chalk dust, sawdust, water, …
    - 0-_-0 6mo ago
      1 mm thickness is a fine trade-off
    - anonymars 6mo ago
      I don't see those options in the search results either way In any case we heard the same sort of rationalization for getting rid of the headphone jack, so color me extremely skeptical-- yes of course there's going to be trade-offs, but what a coincidence that headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, SD card slots have all gone by the wayside, which just so happens to allow for upselling Bluetooth and cloud storage
  - 0xffff2 6mo ago
    No, the list was "Cheaper, higher battery capacity, water proof, smaller, stronger". I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there are engineering tradeoffs to be made here. You can make a waterproof phone with a removable battery, but you can't make a waterproof phone with a removable battery that is as good or better than an iPhone in every other respect too. If you could, iPhones would already have removable batteries.
nonethewiser 6mo ago
Are you claiming it's not cheaper to embed batteries?

Citation needed. It seems pretty clear that a mechanism to allow a user to access a battery will increase complexity, making all the other properties harder to achieve.

dismalaf 6mo ago
It'll increase the size of the case by a small amount but a battery cell is a battery cell... Rip open an old device and you'll see.
realusername 6mo ago
Fairphone managed to do it, I'm sure companies with more budget than them can figure it out.
- jhasse 6mo ago
  Not water proof and definitely big for its capacity.
  - realusername 6mo ago
    Yes, hence why I'm sure companies with 100x the budget can do better.
anonymars 6mo ago
You're asking for proof that effective waterproof phones with removable batteries exist? https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkRemovableBattery=selected&sIPCerts=6,11 https://m.gsmarena.com/results.php3?chkRemovableBattery=sele...
- nonethewiser 6mo ago
  You're proving the point. 1) iPhones for example are ip68 rated while those are just ipx8/9 2) Do you want to be limited to the universe of those search results? Do you want to buy a Sony Xperia? You can't make batteries directly replaceable at the same quality and price. There are tradeoffs. Obviously waterproof non-embedded batteries exist. Just like you could make a removable battery the same slimness as embedded. With massive tradeoffs. It's capacity will be terrible. No one is surprised a removable battery can be waterproof but the point is there are tradeoffs.
  - fsflover 6mo ago
    > just ipx8/9 Do you actually need it? For what?
    - carefulfungi 6mo ago
      Kinda weird to argue for longer life via battery replacement and against longer life via contaminant protections. My phone is regularly covered in chalk dust, sawdust, water, …
  - 0-_-0 6mo ago
    1 mm thickness is a fine trade-off
  - anonymars 6mo ago
    I don't see those options in the search results either way In any case we heard the same sort of rationalization for getting rid of the headphone jack, so color me extremely skeptical-- yes of course there's going to be trade-offs, but what a coincidence that headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, SD card slots have all gone by the wayside, which just so happens to allow for upselling Bluetooth and cloud storage
- 0xffff2 6mo ago
  No, the list was "Cheaper, higher battery capacity, water proof, smaller, stronger". I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there are engineering tradeoffs to be made here. You can make a waterproof phone with a removable battery, but you can't make a waterproof phone with a removable battery that is as good or better than an iPhone in every other respect too. If you could, iPhones would already have removable batteries.

nonethewiser 6mo ago

Are you claiming it's not cheaper to embed batteries?