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I suspect in the aftermath of this administration, the power of the President as a whole is going to be massively stripped back.

arjie 6mo ago
I think it'll be interesting to see what the consequences are. In India, it used to be (I haven't lived there in decades) pretty par for the course for a new party to come into power and jail all the previous party's heads for corruption and then when it yoyos over the inverse would happen. That would be a worse outcome for the US, I think. It would stall any significant action from the government.
- ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
  I think we allowed a sense of decorum and a hope we could just "move on" to avoid that happening in 2021, and now we are suffering the wrath of not doing it. I suspect we will not make the same mistake in 2029.
  - nailer 6mo ago
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    - SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
      What is the purpose of posting like this? Do you think we're going to forget he was being punished for launching a coup in 2021 if you don't mention it?
      - nailer 6mo ago
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        SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
        It didn't work well because Trump didn't prepare well, seeming to genuinely believe that he could deploy his dealmaking skills to convince various decisionmakers to fabricate an election victory. Now he is in control of the military, has extensively replaced its professional leadership with toadies, and National Guard troops from states he considers to be politically reliable have been deployed in Washington for the past 8 months. I think it compares quite well, and I worry that the same quislings who refuse to see it are going to be there in 2028 insisting that we should just let him cancel the election results to avoid bloodshed.
oatmeal1 6mo ago
Has not happened after other catastrophic administrations. Each party likes the power when they get hold of it.
- ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
  Congresscritters like personal power. Trump has neutered even his own party's legislators and they do not like it, even if they fall in line out of fear. Keep in mind even when Trump is in power, his own party goes through processes like "pro forma" sessions which prevent him from making recess appointments.
simonw 6mo ago
I thought that would happen after the first Trump term. It did not. The second one has made an even stronger case for doing so though.
gruez 6mo ago
That seems highly questionable given how little pushback Trump got in congress, and it was almost entirely along party lines. What makes you think they'll suddenly grow a spine in 3 years?
- ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
  The issue is people are afraid of him. There was plenty of Republican opposition to Trump but people either fell in line or got pushed out. (The main problem is that people didn't have the courage to oppose him all at once, he can easily handle one threat at a time.) I suspect even of Republicans voting in the lines today, they don't like him or his behavior but are too self-interested to do anything about it. When a new administration comes in, between Republicans happy to avoid a Democrat or one of their own have that power again, and Democrats ready to ensure another Trump can never happen again, we'll have bipartisan support for crippling presidential power.
  - 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
    There are plenty of rules in place today which say the President cannot do X thing. I do not see how adding rules to the book changes anything if the Congressional/judicial enforcement becomes so impotent to use the tools at their disposal.
- sofixa 6mo ago
  They're probably counting on the majority of the current Congress losing their seats over this.
nailer 6mo ago
That might work out well for the Republicans - "rule by executive order" started under the Obama administration.
- jamroom 6mo ago
  Based on this: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or... Looks like it really started under Teddy Roosevelt. Obama's 276 is lower than most of his predecessors.
- jyounker 6mo ago
  I suggest that you actually look up the numbers for other presidents: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or...
  - nailer 6mo ago
    You're right. I repeated something I'd heard elsewhere and it wasn't correct.

arjie 6mo ago

I think it'll be interesting to see what the consequences are. In India, it used to be (I haven't lived there in decades) pretty par for the course for a new party to come into power and jail all the previous party's heads for corruption and then when it yoyos over the inverse would happen. That would be a worse outcome for the US, I think. It would stall any significant action from the government.

ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
I think we allowed a sense of decorum and a hope we could just "move on" to avoid that happening in 2021, and now we are suffering the wrath of not doing it. I suspect we will not make the same mistake in 2029.
- nailer 6mo ago
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  - SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
    What is the purpose of posting like this? Do you think we're going to forget he was being punished for launching a coup in 2021 if you don't mention it?
    - nailer 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
        It didn't work well because Trump didn't prepare well, seeming to genuinely believe that he could deploy his dealmaking skills to convince various decisionmakers to fabricate an election victory. Now he is in control of the military, has extensively replaced its professional leadership with toadies, and National Guard troops from states he considers to be politically reliable have been deployed in Washington for the past 8 months. I think it compares quite well, and I worry that the same quislings who refuse to see it are going to be there in 2028 insisting that we should just let him cancel the election results to avoid bloodshed.

oatmeal1 6mo ago

Has not happened after other catastrophic administrations. Each party likes the power when they get hold of it.

ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
Congresscritters like personal power. Trump has neutered even his own party's legislators and they do not like it, even if they fall in line out of fear. Keep in mind even when Trump is in power, his own party goes through processes like "pro forma" sessions which prevent him from making recess appointments.

simonw 6mo ago

I thought that would happen after the first Trump term. It did not. The second one has made an even stronger case for doing so though.

gruez 6mo ago

That seems highly questionable given how little pushback Trump got in congress, and it was almost entirely along party lines. What makes you think they'll suddenly grow a spine in 3 years?

ocdtrekkie 6mo ago
The issue is people are afraid of him. There was plenty of Republican opposition to Trump but people either fell in line or got pushed out. (The main problem is that people didn't have the courage to oppose him all at once, he can easily handle one threat at a time.) I suspect even of Republicans voting in the lines today, they don't like him or his behavior but are too self-interested to do anything about it. When a new administration comes in, between Republicans happy to avoid a Democrat or one of their own have that power again, and Democrats ready to ensure another Trump can never happen again, we'll have bipartisan support for crippling presidential power.
- 3eb7988a1663 6mo ago
  There are plenty of rules in place today which say the President cannot do X thing. I do not see how adding rules to the book changes anything if the Congressional/judicial enforcement becomes so impotent to use the tools at their disposal.
sofixa 6mo ago
They're probably counting on the majority of the current Congress losing their seats over this.

nailer 6mo ago

That might work out well for the Republicans - "rule by executive order" started under the Obama administration.

jamroom 6mo ago
Based on this: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or... Looks like it really started under Teddy Roosevelt. Obama's 276 is lower than most of his predecessors.
jyounker 6mo ago
I suggest that you actually look up the numbers for other presidents: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-orders https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/executive-or...
- nailer 6mo ago
  You're right. I repeated something I'd heard elsewhere and it wasn't correct.