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For regular, undiscounted prices the subscription prices were somewhat fair. Regular Photoshop CS5 was $700, or $1000 for the extended version. And $200 to upgr

For regular, undiscounted prices the subscription prices were somewhat fair. Regular Photoshop CS5 was $700, or $1000 for the extended version. And $200 to upgrade. Now it's a $300/year subscription. But students really got shafted. You used to get 80-90% student discounts, and could keep using the same version for years. Including keeping the software when you were no longer a student

nradov 6mo ago
You're not wrong, but students often have to spend more than $300 per semester (not year) just on textbooks.
- ctoth 6mo ago
  Textbooks cost more, therefore what?
  - rolph 6mo ago
    course materials packages, lab books, lecture slides, published in house by the prof/instructor/lecturer. or, someone in the cohort copies and disseminates from textbook[s]. copyrightist would have to put an investigator, in the institution to break it up, but ive never heard of that beyond monitoring library usage of photocopiers.
- cableshaft 6mo ago
  Why don't you ask the students how much they love doing that. I'm sure they'll have nothing but nice things to say.
  - nradov 6mo ago
    I don't need to ask, I didn't love it when I was a student. I wasn't claiming that this is a good thing.
- dghlsakjg 6mo ago
  There is a massive amount of criticism around textbook pricing, especially since they include licenses for the software you need to do your homework. Adobe and text book publishers are both inexcusably exploitative.
- newsclues 6mo ago
  Oh no books cost money. Have you seen how much tuition is? To be in an old classroom and learn decades old math and English? It's almost like I could drop out, work on campus and read books at the library for free. I just wasn't Good Looking Will Hunting.
  - DroneBetter 6mo ago
    age doesn't inherently make math less useful, and the parts it does affect it does non-uniformly. i have undergone an undergrad differential equations module that taught exclusively ad-hoc methods for certain families of equation that no working mathematician needs to know since they were all subsumed into and superseded by computer algebra systems, but the subject i would enjoy replacing it with (generating functions) is similarly old in origin (perhaps even earlier, since Euler used most of the techniques that an undergrad class would cover before diffeqs were considered an object of study) but has happened to become more useful with the advent of CASes instead of less.
- bnj 6mo ago
  In my circles it is regular and routine for students to use an older edition, pirate, and/or use library copies. Many students literally can’t afford to buy the books at list price and find other ways to manage.
- anigbrowl 6mo ago
  The fact that students are scammed in one area isn't a compelling argument for them to get scammed in others.
- rolymath 6mo ago
  Only in America.
vondur 6mo ago
At the CSU we had a deal for students to get the Adobe suite for $20 per semester. At certain CSU’s it’s now free for every student. CSU is the California State University system.

nradov 6mo ago

You're not wrong, but students often have to spend more than $300 per semester (not year) just on textbooks.

ctoth 6mo ago
Textbooks cost more, therefore what?
- rolph 6mo ago
  course materials packages, lab books, lecture slides, published in house by the prof/instructor/lecturer. or, someone in the cohort copies and disseminates from textbook[s]. copyrightist would have to put an investigator, in the institution to break it up, but ive never heard of that beyond monitoring library usage of photocopiers.
cableshaft 6mo ago
Why don't you ask the students how much they love doing that. I'm sure they'll have nothing but nice things to say.
- nradov 6mo ago
  I don't need to ask, I didn't love it when I was a student. I wasn't claiming that this is a good thing.
dghlsakjg 6mo ago
There is a massive amount of criticism around textbook pricing, especially since they include licenses for the software you need to do your homework. Adobe and text book publishers are both inexcusably exploitative.
newsclues 6mo ago
Oh no books cost money. Have you seen how much tuition is? To be in an old classroom and learn decades old math and English? It's almost like I could drop out, work on campus and read books at the library for free. I just wasn't Good Looking Will Hunting.
- DroneBetter 6mo ago
  age doesn't inherently make math less useful, and the parts it does affect it does non-uniformly. i have undergone an undergrad differential equations module that taught exclusively ad-hoc methods for certain families of equation that no working mathematician needs to know since they were all subsumed into and superseded by computer algebra systems, but the subject i would enjoy replacing it with (generating functions) is similarly old in origin (perhaps even earlier, since Euler used most of the techniques that an undergrad class would cover before diffeqs were considered an object of study) but has happened to become more useful with the advent of CASes instead of less.
bnj 6mo ago
In my circles it is regular and routine for students to use an older edition, pirate, and/or use library copies. Many students literally can’t afford to buy the books at list price and find other ways to manage.
anigbrowl 6mo ago
The fact that students are scammed in one area isn't a compelling argument for them to get scammed in others.
rolymath 6mo ago
Only in America.

vondur 6mo ago

At the CSU we had a deal for students to get the Adobe suite for $20 per semester. At certain CSU’s it’s now free for every student. CSU is the California State University system.