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Keep Pushing: We Get 10 More Days to Reform Section 702
- aaron695 6mo ago[dead]
- fewfew01 6mo agoMight have more people who care if they were still on X. EFF is a lost cause.
- throwawayqqq11 6mo agoAre you taking action or would you if you could?
- tkel 6mo agoI know no one asked you for organizing advice, but it's important to remember that posting is not organizing Also, you realize you can take action not under the banner of the EFF? And you can post on X about this as much as you want. You going to let weird petty squabbles stop you from seeing the point, which is trying to stop unwarranted mass surveillance? Let us know how many calls you've whipped for this.
- grosswait 6mo agoThe point is that by making a “politically correct” statement outside their core mission, they alienate potential allies. So yes, petty squabbles do get in the way, and it applies no matter which political direction you look.
- TRiG_Ireland 6mo agoAnd making the "politically incorrect" statement of hanging out with Nazis wouldn't alienate potential allies?
- ksask 6mo ago[flagged]
- grosswait 6mo agoI agree. They were a narrowly focused organization, which served them well IMO. Making political statements outside of that narrow lane hurts their effectiveness.
- deleted 6mo ago[deleted]
- culi 6mo agoParticipating in a platform where you can PAY to get your tweets to have 10x more reach is fundamentally opposed to the principles the EFF was founded on. If you wanna be a sucker and participate in such a platform, go ahead. But don't cry when others have more principle than you
- tomhow 6mo agoEschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- sneak 6mo agoReminder: this is their #1 most used tool for collecting data. Snowden told us of the existence of this program under the codename PRISM. This allows them to download the entire contents of your gmail instantly, directly from Google, without a warrant. Or your iCloud Photos and Backups (complete iMessage history) directly from Apple. No warrant required.
- gib444 6mo agoWait, doesn't the constitution protect people from this?
- LadyCailin 6mo agoThe constitution lost its power long ago, and is now a mere fig leaf of legitimacy. Plenty of things ought to be unconstitutional based on a plain reading of the constitution. Civil forfeiture, unlimited gun rights, qualified immunity, FISA courts, various “emergency” powers, deportation of US citizens, etc, etc. The trouble is that a huge portion of Americans don’t really care about any of this, so long as these violations are used to stick it to liberals, all is forgiven.
- roysting 6mo agoI find such framing challenging because you are correct, the Constitution lost its power a long time ago, but I would not limit the cause of that lost power to only a rather recent ideological adversary, those you imagine would say “stick it to liberals”. Unfortunately for everyone but the parasitic ruling class that is plundering America and the world, the changes and damage done to the Constitution in the name of progress have not only been the primary vehicle of that damage from the start, but they have had compounding and exponentially negative effects that are clearly accelerating the impact. The problem with “progress”, i.e., changes framed as positive, is that it is easy to hijack the innate nature of young people to want to differentiate themselves from their parents as a natural and instinctual process of development/maturity. It allows for malevolent, usually older people, to whisper in the ears of young people things like “don’t you think what your parents do is silly and should be undone?”, not knowing or realizing what their parents do not only protects and preserves, but is also the foundation that allowed everything we have to have been created. It is generally a form of grooming young people to tear down the protective walls holding the Epstein/Biden/Trump Class style super-predators at bay. I personally am concerned that we are effectively already locked in the dungeon, but we just don’t know it because it has WiFi and is nicely decorated…for the time being.
- grosswait 6mo agoAdapting my reply to a comment: By leaving X, EFF has made a “politically correct” statement outside their core mission, which alienates potential allies.
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- rsingel 6mo agoNah, they just finally decided to stop hanging out at the fascist playground. Seems like you like it there though
- grosswait 6mo agoYou’re making a whole lot of assumptions about what I wrote, and what it means. And sensing a lot of hostility. If you’re an activist organization with priorities, such as those stated by the EFF, only speaking to the people in your own political echo chamber hurts your cause.
- ksask 6mo ago[flagged]
- thowme923874 6mo agoStanding up to market manipulation and regulatory capture by platform owners and government coerced speech[1] is excellently aligned with EFF's core mission.[2] I enthusiastically support their activities and will continue to donate. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/04/ad-firms-settle-with-trump-ftc-over-claims-they-boycotted-conservative-media/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/04/ad-firms-settle-... https://www.eff.org/about https://www.eff.org/about
- ipython 6mo agoThe simple act of leaving a private social media website is enough to “alienate” people who would otherwise be supportive? Making membership in a private social media website contribute so heavily to your personal identity seems like more of a reflection on that person than anything else. (FWIW, I have never had a Twitter or X account)
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6mo agoI like 702 in theory but I'm not sure I like the FBI having access since they are for domestic policing. What changes should be made? The probable cause requirement for FBI sounds like a reasonable compromise.
- culi 6mo agoThinking you can reform so it only spies on people outside of the US and is not used against the US is something that has never been historically possible. There's this thing called the "Imperial Boomerang" that is pretty consistent in history. British citizens saw it when the intense surveillance state created to keep tabs on Northern Ireland was eventually brought back to be used against Britain itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_boomerang
- johnea 6mo agoIt shouldn't be reformed! It should be eliminated... Enforce the 4th amendment!!! Properly interpret the 2nd...
- cucumber3732842 6mo agoAnd the 5th, and the 8th, and the 10th (and all the rest but those jump to mind as the most violated).
- halJordan 6mo agoYou know what we haven't applied to computers yet? The 2nd amendment. I deserve to own and carry zero-days at will and use them in self-defense when I feel threatened