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"West" when we talk about urban spaces, walk-accessible cities and public transportation is, IMHO, the wrong category. Europe and USA are very far apart.
by antirez 6mo ago
"West" when we talk about urban spaces, walk-accessible cities and public transportation is, IMHO, the wrong category. Europe and USA are very far apart.
- chii 6mo agothey might mean west of japan ;)
- margalabargala 6mo agoGo far enough and Japan is west of Japan, several times over. You can always keep heading west.
- Spooky23 6mo agoGreat point. Granted I’m approaching it from the perspective of a tourist or business traveler, but 6/6 of the European cities I’ve been in were fully navigable for my purposes via transit. I’d probably guess half or less in the US. Even in NYC or SFO, the metro areas are so large it really makes the success rates low depending on the trip.
- ianm218 6mo agoEurope and USA are both huge places so it depends what you mean. If you compare major east coast cities - Boston, DC, and NYC to European metros like Paris/ Madrid/ Lisbon the biggest tax on the citizens is the same in that it’s impossible to build anything so a huge % of income needs to go to housing.
- yorwba 6mo agoWell, Japan isn't much different in terms of the share of income that goes to housing: https://housingpolicytoolkit.oecd.org/2.H_conso.html https://housingpolicytoolkit.oecd.org/2.H_conso.html
- ianm218 6mo agoJapan and the US are huge - we’re taking about metros here. The situation in NYC is much worse.
- zhdc1 6mo agoEast coast cities were built before modern building codes. Something that, for some reason, people in the states don't want to accept is that - when given the choice - the vast majority of people prefer living in dense urban environments.
- cmatza 6mo agoOP addresses that. Japan is not particularly dense, especially outside of core downtowns. You see the same dynamics in London and Paris. People do not "prefer to live in dense urban environments" by urbanist standards. They prefer to live in dense urban environments by North American standards, which can still be far less dense than urbanists really want.
- zhdc1 6mo ago> which can still be far less dense than urbanists really want. And this was my comparison?
- cmatza 6mo agoMay be an assumption on my part, but the language "people prefer to live in dense urban environment" is typical of urbanism-boosters - who definitely push a lot online that leads one to believe that anything less than inner Tokyo is unacceptable.
- zozbot234 6mo ago> People do not "prefer to live in dense urban environments" by urbanist standards. Nobody wants to live there, it's too crowded and there's too much demand for housing! Oh wait, that makes no sense.
- wallst07 6mo agoYES it does, JOBS! You are required to live there, its not a choice.