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First sentence starts with horrible antisemitism. Can someone fix it? (on my phone with kids so not in a position to)

by AlecBG 6mo ago

codingrightnow 6mo ago
It's been fixed.
- fakedang 6mo ago
  Still up. Looks like this is going to be another game of hit the hedgehog.
  - metmac 6mo ago
    People keep adding different slurs. Awful and disgraceful.
    - riddlemethat 6mo ago
      Anti-Jew rhetoric is at a level unseen since WW2. It’s the new normal. It’s horrible.
      - dbwkdofpqndjflf 6mo ago
        Yeah, I come into contact with some form of Jewish hate on a literal daily basis now. It’s been this way for months.
      - nothrabannosir 6mo ago
        *It’s the old normal :(
      - ajewhere 6mo ago
        [flagged]
        dbwkdofpqndjflf 6mo ago
        One can oppose Israel and the virulent Jewish hate that has exploded in the last few years. It’s not as if massive violence against Jews has never happened. I don’t believe for a second you’re a Jew.
        bluecheese452 6mo ago
        Dude just look at the edits on the wiki page.
        apical_dendrite 6mo ago
        The Wikipedia edit that this thread is discussing was as follows. I think it's worth printing it here to make the point that the commenter above you is completely right about the prevalence of anti-semitism in online discourse today: > Michael Oser Rabin (Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל עוזר רַבִּין; September 1, 1931 – April 14, 2026) was a Jew (a.k.a. kike) rat computer scientist who was co-recipient, with Dana Scott, of the 1976 ACM Turing Award for their military research on efficiently culling goycattle in "Greater Israel". Nothing about this edit is legitimate criticism of Israeli policy. It is pure anti-semitism. Rabin spent most of his career in the United States and worked in abstract mathematics. I generally agree that legitimate criticism of Israel is often unfairly criticized as anti-semitic. I would like you to also acknowledge that many people on the left summarily dismiss blatant and rank anti-semitism, as you did here.
        ajewhere 6mo ago
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        welldoneator 6mo ago
        I commend you for the attempt, even if it’s clear that it’s falling on deaf ears to who you’re replying to. The rest of us Jews appreciate that you didn’t let it slide. It’s hard not to wonder why they even bothered clicking into this thread other than “oh the name sounds Jewish, I can push my narrative” especially with respect to their comment history.
        6mo ago
      - frig57 6mo ago
        [flagged]
        herodotus 6mo ago
        I don't know what country your ancestors came from, but I assume you are not held responsible for any horrible thing that government does.
        hheyeuehe 6mo ago
        But every surrounding country driving out the Jews over the last eighty years so they have nowhere else to go was fine I guess?
    - lambda 6mo ago
      The article has now been been semi-protected to prevent vandalism by anonymous users.
    - bdangubic 6mo ago
      [flagged]
  - prmoustache 6mo ago
    I had a look at the history of todays edits and it is appalling.
    - redwood 6mo ago
      Indeed I just figured out how to view them. Wow. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&...
  - zerocrates 6mo ago
    An admin has now semi-protected the article.
- welldoneator 6mo ago
  Thank you! I’m a casual user of Wikipedia but after this thread I went through the history of edits on the article and...oh my. I have a greater appreciation for folks like you and the other editors who seem to be constantly removing this type of stuf. Some truly horrendous slurs there.
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harel 6mo ago
I used to regularly donate to the wikimedia foundation every year. I stopped doing that as I find the whole project is now a political tool and cannot be relied on. Even ignoring vandalism like here, sometimtes the same articles get different meanings depending on the language you view them in.
- zozbot234 6mo ago
  Different language editions of Wikipedia are completely different projects, with distinct user bases. You're never looking at the "same" article across languages.
  - harel 6mo ago
    In that case, Wikipedia should not link to them (and even distance themselves from the edition) if they purposefully change the content of the article to suit a political agenda. The whole thing became a death match arena of factions as mature as 12 year old kids playing an actual death match arena game... This example here just demonstrates my point.
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k4rli 6mo ago
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- WarOnPrivacy 6mo ago
  In the article's edit history there are a number of vandalism edits. There is some objectively awful text that was getting inserted. It got reverted soon after and I suspect you kept missing the worst of it.
- eranation 6mo ago
  This is the page history. Using the K word for Jewish people is antisemitic. There was no mention of his affiliation of IDF, in fact the page mentions he was released from service in order to pursue his academics. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&diff=prev&oldid=1349681572 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&...
Tomte 6mo ago
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- tptacek 6mo ago
  The moderators of HN aren't Wikipedia administrators.
  - YZF 6mo ago
    Parent is talking about HN not Wikipedia.
  - Tomte 6mo ago
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    - tomhow 6mo ago
      This is a serious allegation that you've made before, but our records don’t show any instances where you raised a case of antisemitism and we refused or failed to act. The last time you emailed us pointing out an antisemitic comment (one that had already been flagged by several community members) we banned the account immediately and thanked you for reporting it. In the case of this thread, the beginning of it happened when it was overnight for both dang and me, and as soon as either of us saw it we collapsed the off-topic subthread about antisemitism and flagged/killed any combative comments about that topic that hadn't already been flagged/killed by other community members. The claim we “leave this thread here alone, just as all the other stuff” is easily explained in this case, as in all cases: we were asleep or away from the computer when it was posted but dealt with it when we saw it. The claim – or, irrefutable insinuation, as it so often is – that we allow more antisemitism to be posted here now than was allowed in the past is made just as often about anti-Islam sentiments and other forms of toxic ideology on either side of the spectrum. Maybe it’s true that dang and I are becoming more tolerant of antisemitism and anti-Islam sentiment and also right-wing and left-wing extremism all at once. Or maybe we should consider the possibility that discussion about politics and ideology, along with religions, particularly those pertaining to Israel and Palestine (and the broader Middle East), has become more incendiary and toxic everywhere in recent years, and it's seeped into almost all online and offline spaces, and we're no more able than King Canute to hold back that tide. That doesn't mean we just blithely accept the “decline of HN”. We always hate to see any toxic comments posted about any topic. After all, this site is meant for curious discussions about stuff like programming languages and other things hackers find interesting. We didn't sign up to be a place where people come to rage about vexed geopolitical conflicts. When any toxic material is posted we want it flagged/killed and repeat guidelines-breaking users banned, just as has always been the case. Of course, there are things we should be doing, and are doing, to be better at detecting and addressing toxic content quickly. It takes time to develop and test these systems, and we're being challenged like never before by growth in the things that take up our time and attention, including new forms of abuse. We are working hard, every day of every week, to manage these ever-changing issues and demands. You and everyone are always welcome to email us to point out any comment, submission or user that's in breach of the guidelines, and as you know, we will always reply, we'll often agree and take the action you're calling for, or if not, we'll thoroughly explain our reasoning. I can’t find a single instance where you’ve tried that approach with us and failed to get a response.
blovescoffee 6mo ago
Wikipedia has demonstrably been ravaged by anti-semitism. Feel free to ignore any of the notes here about Israel / anti-Israeli sentiment which I understand is not clear cut. There's demonstrably antisemitic coalitions editing wikipedia en-masse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i...
- deleted 6mo ago
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- ogogmad 6mo ago
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First sentence starts with horrible antisemitism. Can someone fix it? (on my phone with kids so not in a position to)

by AlecBG 6mo ago

First sentence starts with horrible antisemitism. Can someone fix it? (on my phone with kids so not in a position to)

codingrightnow 6mo ago

It's been fixed.

fakedang 6mo ago
Still up. Looks like this is going to be another game of hit the hedgehog.
- metmac 6mo ago
  People keep adding different slurs. Awful and disgraceful.
  - riddlemethat 6mo ago
    Anti-Jew rhetoric is at a level unseen since WW2. It’s the new normal. It’s horrible.
    - dbwkdofpqndjflf 6mo ago
      Yeah, I come into contact with some form of Jewish hate on a literal daily basis now. It’s been this way for months.
    - nothrabannosir 6mo ago
      *It’s the old normal :(
    - ajewhere 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - dbwkdofpqndjflf 6mo ago
        One can oppose Israel and the virulent Jewish hate that has exploded in the last few years. It’s not as if massive violence against Jews has never happened. I don’t believe for a second you’re a Jew.
      - bluecheese452 6mo ago
        Dude just look at the edits on the wiki page.
      - apical_dendrite 6mo ago
        The Wikipedia edit that this thread is discussing was as follows. I think it's worth printing it here to make the point that the commenter above you is completely right about the prevalence of anti-semitism in online discourse today: > Michael Oser Rabin (Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל עוזר רַבִּין; September 1, 1931 – April 14, 2026) was a Jew (a.k.a. kike) rat computer scientist who was co-recipient, with Dana Scott, of the 1976 ACM Turing Award for their military research on efficiently culling goycattle in "Greater Israel". Nothing about this edit is legitimate criticism of Israeli policy. It is pure anti-semitism. Rabin spent most of his career in the United States and worked in abstract mathematics. I generally agree that legitimate criticism of Israel is often unfairly criticized as anti-semitic. I would like you to also acknowledge that many people on the left summarily dismiss blatant and rank anti-semitism, as you did here.
        ajewhere 6mo ago
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        welldoneator 6mo ago
        I commend you for the attempt, even if it’s clear that it’s falling on deaf ears to who you’re replying to. The rest of us Jews appreciate that you didn’t let it slide. It’s hard not to wonder why they even bothered clicking into this thread other than “oh the name sounds Jewish, I can push my narrative” especially with respect to their comment history.
        6mo ago
    - frig57 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - herodotus 6mo ago
        I don't know what country your ancestors came from, but I assume you are not held responsible for any horrible thing that government does.
      - hheyeuehe 6mo ago
        But every surrounding country driving out the Jews over the last eighty years so they have nowhere else to go was fine I guess?
  - lambda 6mo ago
    The article has now been been semi-protected to prevent vandalism by anonymous users.
  - bdangubic 6mo ago
    [flagged]
- prmoustache 6mo ago
  I had a look at the history of todays edits and it is appalling.
  - redwood 6mo ago
    Indeed I just figured out how to view them. Wow. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&...
- zerocrates 6mo ago
  An admin has now semi-protected the article.
welldoneator 6mo ago
Thank you! I’m a casual user of Wikipedia but after this thread I went through the history of edits on the article and...oh my. I have a greater appreciation for folks like you and the other editors who seem to be constantly removing this type of stuf. Some truly horrendous slurs there.

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harel 6mo ago

I used to regularly donate to the wikimedia foundation every year. I stopped doing that as I find the whole project is now a political tool and cannot be relied on. Even ignoring vandalism like here, sometimtes the same articles get different meanings depending on the language you view them in.

zozbot234 6mo ago
Different language editions of Wikipedia are completely different projects, with distinct user bases. You're never looking at the "same" article across languages.
- harel 6mo ago
  In that case, Wikipedia should not link to them (and even distance themselves from the edition) if they purposefully change the content of the article to suit a political agenda. The whole thing became a death match arena of factions as mature as 12 year old kids playing an actual death match arena game... This example here just demonstrates my point.

deleted 6mo ago

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k4rli 6mo ago

[flagged]

WarOnPrivacy 6mo ago
In the article's edit history there are a number of vandalism edits. There is some objectively awful text that was getting inserted. It got reverted soon after and I suspect you kept missing the worst of it.
eranation 6mo ago
This is the page history. Using the K word for Jewish people is antisemitic. There was no mention of his affiliation of IDF, in fact the page mentions he was released from service in order to pursue his academics. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&diff=prev&oldid=1349681572 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_O._Rabin&...

Tomte 6mo ago

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tptacek 6mo ago
The moderators of HN aren't Wikipedia administrators.
- YZF 6mo ago
  Parent is talking about HN not Wikipedia.
- Tomte 6mo ago
  [flagged]
  - tomhow 6mo ago
    This is a serious allegation that you've made before, but our records don’t show any instances where you raised a case of antisemitism and we refused or failed to act. The last time you emailed us pointing out an antisemitic comment (one that had already been flagged by several community members) we banned the account immediately and thanked you for reporting it. In the case of this thread, the beginning of it happened when it was overnight for both dang and me, and as soon as either of us saw it we collapsed the off-topic subthread about antisemitism and flagged/killed any combative comments about that topic that hadn't already been flagged/killed by other community members. The claim we “leave this thread here alone, just as all the other stuff” is easily explained in this case, as in all cases: we were asleep or away from the computer when it was posted but dealt with it when we saw it. The claim – or, irrefutable insinuation, as it so often is – that we allow more antisemitism to be posted here now than was allowed in the past is made just as often about anti-Islam sentiments and other forms of toxic ideology on either side of the spectrum. Maybe it’s true that dang and I are becoming more tolerant of antisemitism and anti-Islam sentiment and also right-wing and left-wing extremism all at once. Or maybe we should consider the possibility that discussion about politics and ideology, along with religions, particularly those pertaining to Israel and Palestine (and the broader Middle East), has become more incendiary and toxic everywhere in recent years, and it's seeped into almost all online and offline spaces, and we're no more able than King Canute to hold back that tide. That doesn't mean we just blithely accept the “decline of HN”. We always hate to see any toxic comments posted about any topic. After all, this site is meant for curious discussions about stuff like programming languages and other things hackers find interesting. We didn't sign up to be a place where people come to rage about vexed geopolitical conflicts. When any toxic material is posted we want it flagged/killed and repeat guidelines-breaking users banned, just as has always been the case. Of course, there are things we should be doing, and are doing, to be better at detecting and addressing toxic content quickly. It takes time to develop and test these systems, and we're being challenged like never before by growth in the things that take up our time and attention, including new forms of abuse. We are working hard, every day of every week, to manage these ever-changing issues and demands. You and everyone are always welcome to email us to point out any comment, submission or user that's in breach of the guidelines, and as you know, we will always reply, we'll often agree and take the action you're calling for, or if not, we'll thoroughly explain our reasoning. I can’t find a single instance where you’ve tried that approach with us and failed to get a response.

blovescoffee 6mo ago

Wikipedia has demonstrably been ravaged by anti-semitism. Feel free to ignore any of the notes here about Israel / anti-Israeli sentiment which I understand is not clear cut. There's demonstrably antisemitic coalitions editing wikipedia en-masse. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-israel-and-anti-jewish-bias-undermines-wikipedias-neutrality https://www.adl.org/resources/report/editing-hate-how-anti-i...

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ogogmad 6mo ago
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