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The problem is that once built, railroads provided economic value right off the bat. I would love to hear about the economic value being generated by these LLM
by therobots927 6mo ago
The problem is that once built, railroads provided economic value right off the bat.
I would love to hear about the economic value being generated by these LLMs. I think a couple years is enough time for us to start putting some actual numbers to the value provided.
- lukeschlather 6mo agoEquating this buildout with LLMs is also a category error. Waymo (self-driving cars) depends on the same infrastructure, and there are a variety of other robotics programs which are actually functioning, you can see them in operation. They all require a lot of GPUs to train and run the models which operate the robotics.
- therobots927 6mo agoWhat % of GPUs are running self driving software or robotics? And what is the ROI on either of those right now?
- lukeschlather 6mo agoThe answers to both of those questions are pretty guarded trade secrets. Amazon and Google just to name a couple examples are very profitable companies and I would not bet on them investing all this money without real use cases where profit is likely. Amazon is adding thousands of new robots to their factories every year.
- therobots927 6mo agoSo your argument basically boils down to, the datacenter build out is not a waste of resources because if it was, these companies wouldn’t be building them. Got it.
- lukeschlather 6mo agoI mean, your argument is that Google has had increasing revenue and profit for a decade, to the point that they have $400B in revenue + profit this year, and that they are going to lose money because they plan to spend $180B on capital projects for new data centers next year, because you know their business better than they do.
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- therobots927 6mo agoArgument from authority with a little whataboutism thrown in. I’m done wasting time with you.
- danielmarkbruce 6mo agoLol, it's not an argument from authority. The claim isn't "google said so". It's "google is doing so". It's a claim to incentives and rational actors, or perhaps to revealed preferences. If you want to get on a high horse around logical fallacies, make sure to understand them, else you reveal... something else, about yourself.
- therobots927 6mo agoGoogle is doing something != they are doing the rational thing. Suggesting otherwise is defintionally argument from authority. You know you can just admit you’re a sophist and we can move on.
- danielmarkbruce 6mo agoThat's why it's a "claim". Learn basic english before moving onto the big words :)
- throwaway27448 6mo agoIt's not clear that Waymo is an improvement over existing infrastructure so much as ensuring that fewer humans benefit from each car ride (which was already pathetically low).
- rangestransform 6mo agoIt’s an improvement over spending 1b/mi building public transit in HCOL car dependent areas
- throwaway27448 6mo agoYes but then you get infrastructure. Investing more in cars is just taking on more debt your grandkids will have to pay off.
- Danox 6mo agoIs Waymo a good example when Google has third world people sitting at a screen operating the vehicle on the other side of the world, how can it performance be trusted?
- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago> once built, railroads provided economic value right off the bat If they were laid on a sensible route, completed on budget and time, and savvily operated. Many railroads went bust.