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The claim of 30,000 dead in the crackdown is dubious. It originates from a doctor turned fashion blogger turned independent journalist called Deepa Parent[1] an

The claim of 30,000 dead in the crackdown is dubious. It originates from a doctor turned fashion blogger turned independent journalist called Deepa Parent[1] and doesn't have any other evidence to support it. (The Dresden fire bombing required tons of munitions and the toll was 25,000).[2] Now having said that, given the nature of the Iranian theocracy, they are quite capable of such acts. Remember that they have hanged homosexuals from cranes,[3] and executed rape victims.[4] But 30,000 in two days [5] is an extraordinary claim which requires more evidence, certainly more than circular references tracing back to just one source. [1] https://thegrayzone.com/2026/02/01/guardian-iranian-death-toll-concocted-monarchist-doctors/ https://thegrayzone.com/2026/02/01/guardian-iranian-death-to... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhon... [4] https://www.timesnownews.com/lifestyle/people/crime-against-women-back-when-a-16-year-old-girl-was-publicly-executed-in-iran-for-a-crime-she-didnt-commit-article-152526405 https://www.timesnownews.com/lifestyle/people/crime-against-... [5] https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 Edit: added [5]

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at-fates-hands 6mo ago
>> But 30,000 in a day The number was given over two days, not one. The protests were in over 200 cities with 5 million+ participants, WE KNOW they fired live rounds this is undeniable if you only had 200 deaths per city you would reach a death toll north of 40k already. Yes it's not verified yes there isnt a video of exactly 30000 identifiable bodies side by side. But the number really isnt as unachievable as people make it out to be. From another article: The 30,000 figure is also far beyond tallies being compiled by activists methodically assigning names to the dead. As of Saturday, the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency said it had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,031 more. https://www.aol.com/articles/iran-protest-death-toll-could-112447282.html https://www.aol.com/articles/iran-protest-death-toll-could-1... The mass murdering of 5,400 people is nothing to scoff at, on any level, even over two days.
- mulmen 6mo ago
  > The number was given over two days, not one. Was it? I can’t find that in the linked article. The source for the ~7,000 deaths linked near the only instance of “30,000” says it was over the first fifty days.
  - SanjayMehta 6mo ago
    It's not in this article but in others. I'm skeptical because the original source is that fashion blogger. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198
    - mulmen 6mo ago
      It’s unclear where the 30,000 comes from because the article doesn’t cite a source for that number. You’re drawing an unsubstantiated connection between two (or more?) articles so you can invoke and then discredit a specific reporter. At this point I’m not sure what you are even talking about but you seem to have an agenda.
      - SanjayMehta 6mo ago
        Read the references which I carefully included to avoid "Source?" comments. What reporter is being discredited? The fashion blogger? She was thoroughly discredited by The Grayzone. At this point I'm not sure what else to add help you overcome your reading comprehension issues.
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- SanjayMehta 6mo ago
  You're right: two days.
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mulmen 6mo ago
> The Dresden fire bombing required tons of munitions and the toll was 25,000 For clarity 3,900 tons over four raids and 1,500 planes. I’m not sure how to translate that into modern munitions but I’m also uncertain why a strategic bombing death toll should tell us anything about Iranian protester deaths. Iran isn’t doing strategic bombing of their citizens, they’re using small arms across hundreds of locations. The linked article cites a source [1] with detailed methodology for their actual claim of 7,000 deaths and mentions that other unmentioned sources claim it could go as high as 30,000. I don’t see any claim of that being in a single day. Given the timeframe and widespread nature of these protests it doesn’t seem implausible. [1]: https://www.en-hrana.org/the-crimson-winter-a-50-day-record-of-irans-2025-2026-nationwide-protests/ https://www.en-hrana.org/the-crimson-winter-a-50-day-record-...
- vixen99 6mo ago
  Not everyone's up in their WW2 history: Just as a reminder: "In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the German city of Dresden." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden.
- shykes 6mo ago
  A better comparison would be, say, the 1944 Oradour-sur-Glane massacre. 642 French civilians were killed in one afternoon by approximately 150 SS infrantrymen. Or the Babi Yar massacre, where 33,771 Jews were murdered over the course of two days, by approximately 300 to 500 SS and German policemen.
throwawayheui57 6mo ago
If you really want to get informed about the protests in January and the death toll start looking at Amnesty’s report and you’ll see the 30000 is not dubious. Cherry picking who reported on a piece of news doesn’t invalidate the content of it. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-happened-at-the-protests-in-iran/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-hap...
- LtWorf 6mo ago
  I could not find the 30000 figure in the link, while it does mention "thousands", what is contested here is the fact that 30000 is an order of magnitude larger number. The fact that your account is only used to comment about Iran is also weird.
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  - throwawayheui57 6mo ago
    Here’s what you missed from the article: > noting that according to information she received from medical sources, the death toll might be as high as 20,000 . Due to the ongoing internet shutdown, the scale of mass killings that took place and Iranian authorities’ well-documented pattern of carrying out reprisals against families of victims who speak out, the true number of those killed is likely higher. I don’t see how this is hard to understand. As I mentioned, the 30000 figure is not dubious, according to UN special rapporteur. What’s so sad about the whole situation in Iran, apart from what happened, is people trying to “haggle” the number of death. It should be obvious that even one death is too many!
- 627467 6mo ago
  "30000"... every time the numbers are these rounded (if funnily its always 30K. No 40K or 25K. 30K) it just... questionable. Look it up: victims or algerian war, victims of iran's own crackdown in 1980s, argentina's 1980s dictatorship victims... always nice rounded 30K. I don't question the dimension of the atrocities, but the true motivations of those who perpetuate these propagandistic numbers

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at-fates-hands 6mo ago

>> But 30,000 in a day The number was given over two days, not one. The protests were in over 200 cities with 5 million+ participants, WE KNOW they fired live rounds this is undeniable if you only had 200 deaths per city you would reach a death toll north of 40k already. Yes it's not verified yes there isnt a video of exactly 30000 identifiable bodies side by side. But the number really isnt as unachievable as people make it out to be. From another article: The 30,000 figure is also far beyond tallies being compiled by activists methodically assigning names to the dead. As of Saturday, the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency said it had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,031 more. https://www.aol.com/articles/iran-protest-death-toll-could-112447282.html https://www.aol.com/articles/iran-protest-death-toll-could-1... The mass murdering of 5,400 people is nothing to scoff at, on any level, even over two days.

mulmen 6mo ago
> The number was given over two days, not one. Was it? I can’t find that in the linked article. The source for the ~7,000 deaths linked near the only instance of “30,000” says it was over the first fifty days.
- SanjayMehta 6mo ago
  It's not in this article but in others. I'm skeptical because the original source is that fashion blogger. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198
  - mulmen 6mo ago
    It’s unclear where the 30,000 comes from because the article doesn’t cite a source for that number. You’re drawing an unsubstantiated connection between two (or more?) articles so you can invoke and then discredit a specific reporter. At this point I’m not sure what you are even talking about but you seem to have an agenda.
    - SanjayMehta 6mo ago
      Read the references which I carefully included to avoid "Source?" comments. What reporter is being discredited? The fashion blogger? She was thoroughly discredited by The Grayzone. At this point I'm not sure what else to add help you overcome your reading comprehension issues.
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SanjayMehta 6mo ago
You're right: two days.
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mulmen 6mo ago

> The Dresden fire bombing required tons of munitions and the toll was 25,000 For clarity 3,900 tons over four raids and 1,500 planes. I’m not sure how to translate that into modern munitions but I’m also uncertain why a strategic bombing death toll should tell us anything about Iranian protester deaths. Iran isn’t doing strategic bombing of their citizens, they’re using small arms across hundreds of locations. The linked article cites a source [1] with detailed methodology for their actual claim of 7,000 deaths and mentions that other unmentioned sources claim it could go as high as 30,000. I don’t see any claim of that being in a single day. Given the timeframe and widespread nature of these protests it doesn’t seem implausible. [1]: https://www.en-hrana.org/the-crimson-winter-a-50-day-record-of-irans-2025-2026-nationwide-protests/ https://www.en-hrana.org/the-crimson-winter-a-50-day-record-...

vixen99 6mo ago
Not everyone's up in their WW2 history: Just as a reminder: "In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 772 heavy bombers of the Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the German city of Dresden." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden.
shykes 6mo ago
A better comparison would be, say, the 1944 Oradour-sur-Glane massacre. 642 French civilians were killed in one afternoon by approximately 150 SS infrantrymen. Or the Babi Yar massacre, where 33,771 Jews were murdered over the course of two days, by approximately 300 to 500 SS and German policemen.

throwawayheui57 6mo ago

If you really want to get informed about the protests in January and the death toll start looking at Amnesty’s report and you’ll see the 30000 is not dubious. Cherry picking who reported on a piece of news doesn’t invalidate the content of it. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-happened-at-the-protests-in-iran/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2026/01/what-hap...

LtWorf 6mo ago
I could not find the 30000 figure in the link, while it does mention "thousands", what is contested here is the fact that 30000 is an order of magnitude larger number. The fact that your account is only used to comment about Iran is also weird.
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- throwawayheui57 6mo ago
  Here’s what you missed from the article: > noting that according to information she received from medical sources, the death toll might be as high as 20,000 . Due to the ongoing internet shutdown, the scale of mass killings that took place and Iranian authorities’ well-documented pattern of carrying out reprisals against families of victims who speak out, the true number of those killed is likely higher. I don’t see how this is hard to understand. As I mentioned, the 30000 figure is not dubious, according to UN special rapporteur. What’s so sad about the whole situation in Iran, apart from what happened, is people trying to “haggle” the number of death. It should be obvious that even one death is too many!
627467 6mo ago
"30000"... every time the numbers are these rounded (if funnily its always 30K. No 40K or 25K. 30K) it just... questionable. Look it up: victims or algerian war, victims of iran's own crackdown in 1980s, argentina's 1980s dictatorship victims... always nice rounded 30K. I don't question the dimension of the atrocities, but the true motivations of those who perpetuate these propagandistic numbers