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USA claiming global jurisdiction over internet copyright matters goes back a long way. The case that "radicalized" me was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S

by pjc50 7mo ago

USA claiming global jurisdiction over internet copyright matters goes back a long way. The case that "radicalized" me was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd. , which was 25 years ago! The other such case establishing global financial jurisdiction, often cited by cryptocurrency adopters, is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg - "Pokerstars". It's wild to read "the U.S. Congress passed UIGEA to extend existing gambling laws into cyberspace. The law made processing payments for online gambling a crime" in the light of how prevalent online gambling is now in the US mainstream, with sports betting, Kalshi, Polymarket and so on.

reactordev 7mo ago
The laws of the US have always been crafted to protect the interests of the elite, not the industrious.
- mystraline 7mo ago
  Sure has. And even policing protects local monied interests. One case was someone who used their bike as their vehicle put a tracker on it. Was stolen. Tracker dutifully said where it was. Went to police station, they did absolutely shit. They were handed the bike receipt, token receipt, and realtime log. They DGAF. Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in police report, was told "CIVIL MATTER". But if you stole $100 from a register, off to jail you go. The laws protect monied interests and the elite, not the masses.
  - Aurornis 7mo ago
    > Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in police report, was told "CIVIL MATTER" Too late now, but for future reference for others: Wage theft reports should go to your state's department of labor. Every state is different but from what I've seen these offices have people who are hungry to catch real wage claims. Companies listen up when the state department of labor comes knocking.
    - reactordev 7mo ago
      used to be the case before the government was gutted.
      - selectodude 7mo ago
        Fortunately this would be handled by state government, which is cold comfort if you live in the half of the country that is governed by people who hate you for having the audacity to be poor.
        elzbardico 7mo ago
        In places like Florida probably this department runs a blacklist of people who complained to be distributed across HRs.
        calfuris 7mo ago
        Florida got rid of that department in 2002.
        mystraline 7mo ago
        I live in Indiana. MAGA governor, supermajority republican house, senate, and judges. And, no, they do not care one bit about workers, renters, and the lower class. I'm solidly middle-upper class now. Home-morgage-r. Make remote 160k, which is amazing for the area. I also live in 1 of 3 liberalish areas. Amazingly, theyre worse in things like FLOCK, taxation, gun rights, speech rights, jail decency (opposition to ACLU), and other amendment rights. I dont sit in their pet issues. I dont matter. I likely won't ever matter.
        reactordev 7mo ago
        Same game, different team.
      - bit-anarchist 7mo ago
  - booleandilemma 7mo ago
    Life makes a lot more sense when you realize the government, or at least this government, doesn't actually care about you.
  - dpoloncsak 7mo ago
    Realistically, what did you want to happen? The cop to check the computer logs and see who changed your hours? Was it even someone in the store, or from corporate? Jurisdiction can get messy... Proving someone intentionally changed your hours as opposed to a mistake or software bug is not the police's job. It quite literally is a civil crime and belongs in civil court, not criminal. I don't even think most police are trained in civil laws. (Atleast, not in my state?) Catching someone who takes money out of a cash register is their job. That's textbook theft, a criminal activity. I hate cops as much as the next guy, possibly more, but that just doesn't seem like their area FWIW, the government is still (supposedly) working to resolve your issue...your tax dollars are still at work. Judge, Public Defender, blah blah blah....It's just not the job of a first responder
    - mystraline 7mo ago
      I want the same if the company had called the cops for a theft of $100 from a drawer. If the company's rep calls, I go to jail. If I call, diddly shit happens.
      - dpoloncsak 7mo ago
        I'd vastly prefer the world where the untrained police actually stop getting involved in matters that they have no purpose being involved in, but to each their own I guess
Aurornis 7mo ago
This isn't a unique USA thing. Many countries will allow lawsuits against international entities if you can demonstrate harm within the jurisdiction. Practically speaking it doesn't matter much when small countries do this because it doesn't mean much, other than maybe the owners of the country can't travel there any more. It hits headlines when the USA does it because being barred from traveling to the USA or working with US companies causes a lot of problems.

by pjc50 7mo ago

reactordev 7mo ago

The laws of the US have always been crafted to protect the interests of the elite, not the industrious.

mystraline 7mo ago
Sure has. And even policing protects local monied interests. One case was someone who used their bike as their vehicle put a tracker on it. Was stolen. Tracker dutifully said where it was. Went to police station, they did absolutely shit. They were handed the bike receipt, token receipt, and realtime log. They DGAF. Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in police report, was told "CIVIL MATTER". But if you stole $100 from a register, off to jail you go. The laws protect monied interests and the elite, not the masses.
- Aurornis 7mo ago
  > Years ago, worked at Walmart. They illegally edited my hours and thieved $100 and change. Put in police report, was told "CIVIL MATTER" Too late now, but for future reference for others: Wage theft reports should go to your state's department of labor. Every state is different but from what I've seen these offices have people who are hungry to catch real wage claims. Companies listen up when the state department of labor comes knocking.
  - reactordev 7mo ago
    used to be the case before the government was gutted.
    - selectodude 7mo ago
      Fortunately this would be handled by state government, which is cold comfort if you live in the half of the country that is governed by people who hate you for having the audacity to be poor.
      - elzbardico 7mo ago
        In places like Florida probably this department runs a blacklist of people who complained to be distributed across HRs.
        calfuris 7mo ago
        Florida got rid of that department in 2002.
        mystraline 7mo ago
        I live in Indiana. MAGA governor, supermajority republican house, senate, and judges. And, no, they do not care one bit about workers, renters, and the lower class. I'm solidly middle-upper class now. Home-morgage-r. Make remote 160k, which is amazing for the area. I also live in 1 of 3 liberalish areas. Amazingly, theyre worse in things like FLOCK, taxation, gun rights, speech rights, jail decency (opposition to ACLU), and other amendment rights. I dont sit in their pet issues. I dont matter. I likely won't ever matter.
        reactordev 7mo ago
        Same game, different team.
    - bit-anarchist 7mo ago
- booleandilemma 7mo ago
  Life makes a lot more sense when you realize the government, or at least this government, doesn't actually care about you.
- dpoloncsak 7mo ago
  Realistically, what did you want to happen? The cop to check the computer logs and see who changed your hours? Was it even someone in the store, or from corporate? Jurisdiction can get messy... Proving someone intentionally changed your hours as opposed to a mistake or software bug is not the police's job. It quite literally is a civil crime and belongs in civil court, not criminal. I don't even think most police are trained in civil laws. (Atleast, not in my state?) Catching someone who takes money out of a cash register is their job. That's textbook theft, a criminal activity. I hate cops as much as the next guy, possibly more, but that just doesn't seem like their area FWIW, the government is still (supposedly) working to resolve your issue...your tax dollars are still at work. Judge, Public Defender, blah blah blah....It's just not the job of a first responder
  - mystraline 7mo ago
    I want the same if the company had called the cops for a theft of $100 from a drawer. If the company's rep calls, I go to jail. If I call, diddly shit happens.
    - dpoloncsak 7mo ago
      I'd vastly prefer the world where the untrained police actually stop getting involved in matters that they have no purpose being involved in, but to each their own I guess

Aurornis 7mo ago

This isn't a unique USA thing. Many countries will allow lawsuits against international entities if you can demonstrate harm within the jurisdiction. Practically speaking it doesn't matter much when small countries do this because it doesn't mean much, other than maybe the owners of the country can't travel there any more. It hits headlines when the USA does it because being barred from traveling to the USA or working with US companies causes a lot of problems.