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I suspect there might not be love for this angle here, but there's something else that follows this format: God. Spirituality. Religion. I'm not religious is a

by patcon 6mo ago

I suspect there might not be love for this angle here, but there's something else that follows this format: God. Spirituality. Religion. I'm not religious is any traditional sense, but I'd argue that it's not always the hallmark of a bad dynamic when a system always asks of you to do inner work when failures happen in contact with the real world. Sometimes that's a healthier mode than the alternative -- externalizing the blame, and blaming the system (or the god). I suspect there a very abstract game theoretic conversation that could be had about this :)

z3t4 6mo ago
when it comes to some diets, some only work if you follow them wholeheartedly, like meat only diet, one speck of peppar might be enough to cause an inflammation. But generally you can't take a process that worked well for another person or company and apply it on you or your company. Like for example a training program, you can't just take a training program from a professional athlete and reuse it on your kid and expect him/her to become as good as the pro. Programs and processes are very individual tailored.
- watwut 6mo ago
  A process that fails when you slightly diverge is process that fails. Because all human orgs diverge from stated process here or there. Including army which puts huge amounts of resources into making people comply with everything.
- BobaFloutist 6mo ago
  I'm pretty sure a religiously followed meat only diet can't succeed at anything other than achieving scurvy.
  - z3t4 6mo ago
    Meat have all vitamins. But if you plan to stay on the diet forever you should eat all parts, not just the steak.
    - BobaFloutist 6mo ago
      Ah, fair enough. I still doubt that your average person would see any real health benefits from eating only meat, even if they ate enough organ meats to actually get all their vitamins and minerals (the lack of fiber is a particular concern) but I guess you're right that there's a version of an "all meat died" that doesn't promptly kill you through malnutrition, you got me there.
      - z3t4 6mo ago
        It's really a hard-core diet and not for the average joe, the health benefits however are great: Fat loss, especially around your belly (because belly fat act as a protective barrier, and will go away if you don't eat carbs) and the inflammatory processes in the body will go down a lot. You will look more healthy and feel stronger. Just make sure you get enough calories, so you need to eat a lot of meat. You have to spend hours every day just eating.
qsort 6mo ago
> I suspect there might not be love for this angle here, but there's something else that follows this format: God. Spirituality. Religion. Yes, and that's because God, spirituality and religion make fuzzy truth claims and can be used to argue for and justify anything. God can be used as the excuse to start a genocide and the inspiration to stop it, spirituality can be the way for wounded people to work with their trauma and the vehicle for people without scruples to sell horoscopes or some shit, religion (the same religion) was used to justify and uphold slavery and to fight for its end. They are containers for our politics, our lifestyle, for who we are and for who we hope to be. The Agile manifesto is a series of statements in the form "we like X more than Y." It doesn't say anything. To make it mean anything you have to project onto it a framework of interpretation that exists independently of the "sacred text" itself. So yeah, they are similar, and that's because Agile, sociologically, works like a religion.

by patcon 6mo ago

z3t4 6mo ago

when it comes to some diets, some only work if you follow them wholeheartedly, like meat only diet, one speck of peppar might be enough to cause an inflammation. But generally you can't take a process that worked well for another person or company and apply it on you or your company. Like for example a training program, you can't just take a training program from a professional athlete and reuse it on your kid and expect him/her to become as good as the pro. Programs and processes are very individual tailored.

watwut 6mo ago
A process that fails when you slightly diverge is process that fails. Because all human orgs diverge from stated process here or there. Including army which puts huge amounts of resources into making people comply with everything.
BobaFloutist 6mo ago
I'm pretty sure a religiously followed meat only diet can't succeed at anything other than achieving scurvy.
- z3t4 6mo ago
  Meat have all vitamins. But if you plan to stay on the diet forever you should eat all parts, not just the steak.
  - BobaFloutist 6mo ago
    Ah, fair enough. I still doubt that your average person would see any real health benefits from eating only meat, even if they ate enough organ meats to actually get all their vitamins and minerals (the lack of fiber is a particular concern) but I guess you're right that there's a version of an "all meat died" that doesn't promptly kill you through malnutrition, you got me there.
    - z3t4 6mo ago
      It's really a hard-core diet and not for the average joe, the health benefits however are great: Fat loss, especially around your belly (because belly fat act as a protective barrier, and will go away if you don't eat carbs) and the inflammatory processes in the body will go down a lot. You will look more healthy and feel stronger. Just make sure you get enough calories, so you need to eat a lot of meat. You have to spend hours every day just eating.

qsort 6mo ago

> I suspect there might not be love for this angle here, but there's something else that follows this format: God. Spirituality. Religion. Yes, and that's because God, spirituality and religion make fuzzy truth claims and can be used to argue for and justify anything. God can be used as the excuse to start a genocide and the inspiration to stop it, spirituality can be the way for wounded people to work with their trauma and the vehicle for people without scruples to sell horoscopes or some shit, religion (the same religion) was used to justify and uphold slavery and to fight for its end. They are containers for our politics, our lifestyle, for who we are and for who we hope to be. The Agile manifesto is a series of statements in the form "we like X more than Y." It doesn't say anything. To make it mean anything you have to project onto it a framework of interpretation that exists independently of the "sacred text" itself. So yeah, they are similar, and that's because Agile, sociologically, works like a religion.