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Basically EU should step in whenever country level government doesn't do a good enough job for its citizens. It's not strong enough to do that yet but a lot of

Basically EU should step in whenever country level government doesn't do a good enough job for its citizens. It's not strong enough to do that yet but a lot of people with cheap governments wish it was.

Pay08 7mo ago
That would be an absolute disaster and basically destroy European democracy.
- AnthonyMouse 7mo ago
  The way this works best is that you have a federal system that sets out what the member states can't do (e.g. block internet, censor speech, ex post facto laws, trade barriers) and then the central government exists only to enforce those constraints on the member states, who choose whether and how to do any of the things they are allowed to do.
jimbokun 7mo ago
So Spanish people are too stupid to vote for their own policy preferences? How do you know the EU is guaranteed to do a better job than national governments representing the desires of that nation’s citizens?
- scotty79 7mo ago
  Ask Hungarians at any point of the last 16 years. The problem is that 30% vote in a conman. 29% of people try to prevent that. Then 100% of people suffer for years. It happened in Poland and in Hungary. And even if that scenario doesn't play out exactly like that it always works this way to some degree. People need enlightened remote central power to protect them from local petty tyrants. It's the same thing as HOAs. If there aren't enough laws (with enforcement) in place, people tend to be exploited by "voluntarily" chosen local tyrants. At the level of home owners associacion, or at the level of national government.
tpm 7mo ago
It doesn't work like that. The EU is established by the states and only has the authority to do what is delegated by the member states to the EU.
smsm42 7mo ago
If Spaniards think their goverment is doing a bad job, why don't they vote them out? They are still a democracy, aren't they?
- EmuAGR 6mo ago
  The opposition is also pleasing to LALIGA, that wouldn't change anything. And LALIGA managed to secure a legal ruling by a corrupt judge.

Pay08 7mo ago

That would be an absolute disaster and basically destroy European democracy.

AnthonyMouse 7mo ago
The way this works best is that you have a federal system that sets out what the member states can't do (e.g. block internet, censor speech, ex post facto laws, trade barriers) and then the central government exists only to enforce those constraints on the member states, who choose whether and how to do any of the things they are allowed to do.

jimbokun 7mo ago

So Spanish people are too stupid to vote for their own policy preferences? How do you know the EU is guaranteed to do a better job than national governments representing the desires of that nation’s citizens?

scotty79 7mo ago
Ask Hungarians at any point of the last 16 years. The problem is that 30% vote in a conman. 29% of people try to prevent that. Then 100% of people suffer for years. It happened in Poland and in Hungary. And even if that scenario doesn't play out exactly like that it always works this way to some degree. People need enlightened remote central power to protect them from local petty tyrants. It's the same thing as HOAs. If there aren't enough laws (with enforcement) in place, people tend to be exploited by "voluntarily" chosen local tyrants. At the level of home owners associacion, or at the level of national government.

tpm 7mo ago

It doesn't work like that. The EU is established by the states and only has the authority to do what is delegated by the member states to the EU.

smsm42 7mo ago

If Spaniards think their goverment is doing a bad job, why don't they vote them out? They are still a democracy, aren't they?

EmuAGR 6mo ago
The opposition is also pleasing to LALIGA, that wouldn't change anything. And LALIGA managed to secure a legal ruling by a corrupt judge.