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I backup my data to s3 and r2 using local scripts, never had any issues Don't even know why people rely on these guis which can show their magic anytime

bjord 6mo ago
you don't understand why pre-rolled critical backup solutions might be appealing to (especially non-technical) people? also, you pay per-GB. the author is on backblaze's unlimited plan.
palata 6mo ago
This. I use Restic, the cloud service doesn't know about what I send, it's just encrypted blobs as far as it is concerned.
- Terr_ 6mo ago
  > encrypted blobs I like how you can set multiple keys (much like LUKS) so that the key used by scheduled backups can be changed without messing with the key that I have memorized to restore with when disaster strikes. It also means you can have multiple computers backing up (sequentially, not simultaneously) to the same repository, each with their own key.
ralfd 6mo ago
> Don't even know why people Most people (my mom) don't know what s3 and r2 is or how to use it.
CodesInChaos 6mo ago
* S3 is super expensive, unless you use Glacier, but that has a high overhead per file, so you should bundle them before uploading. * If your value your privacy, you need to encrypt the files on the client before uploading. * You need to keep multiple revisions of each file, and manage their lifecycle. Unless you're fine with losing any data that was overwritten at the time of the most recent backup. * You need to de-duplicate files, unless you want bloat whenever you rename a file or folder. * Plus you need to pay for Amazon's extortionate egress prices if you actually need to restore your data. I certainly wouldn't want to handle all that on my own in a script. What can make sense is using open source backup software with S3/R2/B2 as backing storage.
- faangguyindia 6mo ago
  which service you recommend?
  - gpm 6mo ago
    In terms of software I've been impressed by restic, and as a developer who wants to be able to not back-up gitignored files the rustic clone of restic. In terms of cloud storage... well I was using backblaze's b2 but the issues here are definitely making me reconsidering doing business with the company even if my use of it is definitely not impacted by any of them.
- Anamon 6mo ago
  Even with Glacier, S3 is ridiculously expensive compared to almost anything else.
  - frenchtoast8 6mo ago
    As with anything, there are tradeoffs. There are situations where S3 is cheaper. For my use case (long term storage, rarely downloaded), Glacier Deep Archive is about $1/TB/mo which is cheaper than anything else out there (rsync.net, Backblaze R2, Cloudflare R3, Wasabi). Where you get bitten by Glacier is if you need frequent access since you pay a fee for AWS to retrieve the file in addition to the bandwidth used to download it.

bjord 6mo ago

you don't understand why pre-rolled critical backup solutions might be appealing to (especially non-technical) people? also, you pay per-GB. the author is on backblaze's unlimited plan.

palata 6mo ago

This. I use Restic, the cloud service doesn't know about what I send, it's just encrypted blobs as far as it is concerned.

Terr_ 6mo ago
> encrypted blobs I like how you can set multiple keys (much like LUKS) so that the key used by scheduled backups can be changed without messing with the key that I have memorized to restore with when disaster strikes. It also means you can have multiple computers backing up (sequentially, not simultaneously) to the same repository, each with their own key.

ralfd 6mo ago

> Don't even know why people Most people (my mom) don't know what s3 and r2 is or how to use it.

CodesInChaos 6mo ago

* S3 is super expensive, unless you use Glacier, but that has a high overhead per file, so you should bundle them before uploading. * If your value your privacy, you need to encrypt the files on the client before uploading. * You need to keep multiple revisions of each file, and manage their lifecycle. Unless you're fine with losing any data that was overwritten at the time of the most recent backup. * You need to de-duplicate files, unless you want bloat whenever you rename a file or folder. * Plus you need to pay for Amazon's extortionate egress prices if you actually need to restore your data. I certainly wouldn't want to handle all that on my own in a script. What can make sense is using open source backup software with S3/R2/B2 as backing storage.

faangguyindia 6mo ago
which service you recommend?
- gpm 6mo ago
  In terms of software I've been impressed by restic, and as a developer who wants to be able to not back-up gitignored files the rustic clone of restic. In terms of cloud storage... well I was using backblaze's b2 but the issues here are definitely making me reconsidering doing business with the company even if my use of it is definitely not impacted by any of them.
Anamon 6mo ago
Even with Glacier, S3 is ridiculously expensive compared to almost anything else.
- frenchtoast8 6mo ago
  As with anything, there are tradeoffs. There are situations where S3 is cheaper. For my use case (long term storage, rarely downloaded), Glacier Deep Archive is about $1/TB/mo which is cheaper than anything else out there (rsync.net, Backblaze R2, Cloudflare R3, Wasabi). Where you get bitten by Glacier is if you need frequent access since you pay a fee for AWS to retrieve the file in addition to the bandwidth used to download it.