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Nobody is opposed to people obtaining child care. Making it affordable and accessible are noteworthy and desirable goals. The inevitable and unfortunate result

Nobody is opposed to people obtaining child care. Making it affordable and accessible are noteworthy and desirable goals. The inevitable and unfortunate result of "handing out 'free' stuff" however will always be widespread fraud.

Ancalagon 6mo ago
You mean like all that fraud Musk found in the social security system?
add-sub-mul-div 6mo ago
People overemphasize the fraud with what they don't like and ignore the fraud that goes on with the things they do like.
lovich 6mo ago
One of the points of universal type programs is that everyone can get it so what’s to defraud.
bsder 6mo ago
> The inevitable and unfortunate result of "handing out 'free' stuff" however will always be widespread fraud. The optimal amount of fraud is not "zero". The goal is to enforce just enough to keep the fraud below a threshold while not making it too onerous for the people who need and receive the benefit. And, if you really want to go after fraud, you are far better going after the people who commit it at an organized institutional level: see GOP leadership in Florida and Medicare.
aagha 6mo ago
So Norway's decades-old social healthcare system is just full of fraud? What's your proof?
atoav 6mo ago
No it really isn't. How do I know? I have grown up in a country that had this my whole life. Will there be "some" fraud? Sure, but unless your system is really broken it will be a drop in the ocean. Some abuse is the price of any universal thing. E.g. you all have public roads. Most people use public roads in spec. Some people abuse them, do burnouts, run overweight trucks over them, etc. Is that a reason to remove public roads? No. It is a reason to police them. Some people throw trash into public parks, is that a reason to get rid of them? No. Anything nice you will ever have will be treated unfairly by some. Taking that as an argument to not have it just makes sure you never have anything nice tho.

Ancalagon 6mo ago

You mean like all that fraud Musk found in the social security system?

add-sub-mul-div 6mo ago

People overemphasize the fraud with what they don't like and ignore the fraud that goes on with the things they do like.

lovich 6mo ago

One of the points of universal type programs is that everyone can get it so what’s to defraud.

bsder 6mo ago

> The inevitable and unfortunate result of "handing out 'free' stuff" however will always be widespread fraud. The optimal amount of fraud is not "zero". The goal is to enforce just enough to keep the fraud below a threshold while not making it too onerous for the people who need and receive the benefit. And, if you really want to go after fraud, you are far better going after the people who commit it at an organized institutional level: see GOP leadership in Florida and Medicare.

aagha 6mo ago

So Norway's decades-old social healthcare system is just full of fraud? What's your proof?

atoav 6mo ago

No it really isn't. How do I know? I have grown up in a country that had this my whole life. Will there be "some" fraud? Sure, but unless your system is really broken it will be a drop in the ocean. Some abuse is the price of any universal thing. E.g. you all have public roads. Most people use public roads in spec. Some people abuse them, do burnouts, run overweight trucks over them, etc. Is that a reason to remove public roads? No. It is a reason to police them. Some people throw trash into public parks, is that a reason to get rid of them? No. Anything nice you will ever have will be treated unfairly by some. Taking that as an argument to not have it just makes sure you never have anything nice tho.