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I personally would be okay with having it legal if smoking could still be banned in multifamily complexes. I don't care if my neighbors are using edibles, but s

I personally would be okay with having it legal if smoking could still be banned in multifamily complexes. I don't care if my neighbors are using edibles, but since I know that legalized weed means more smoke coming from my neighbors' balconies, I will always vote "No" when marijuana legalization is on the ballot in my location.

pattilupone 6mo ago
Can smoking tobacco be banned in multifamily complexes currently? I'd think the policy would be the same.
- ryoshoe 6mo ago
  HOAs tend to manage this kind of thing
  - hedgedoops2 6mo ago
    Lol, yes, subsidiarity. HOAs, the lowest level of US government.
    - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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      - refulgentis 6mo ago
        You've made about a dozen comments in this thread and they've escalated from "HOAs are unconstitutional" to "I'd rather shoot my fellow citizens than be drafted if weed isn't legal" to "driving high is fine, I've done it for decades." Each one a little more unhinged than the last, which is an accomplishment given where it started. It reads less like a coherent political philosophy and more like someone who's been hitting the sacrament a little too hard this morning. I smoke your "sacrament" daily, and cigarettes, and I'm terrified that people will think you're representative of either of those classes, or even a minority of them. Most people in this thread broadly agree with you that marijuana should be legal. You're somehow picking fights with your own allies because they had the audacity to say they don't like the smell, or that driving impaired is bad. You're not defending freedom, you're being contrarian and hostile to anyone who doesn't arrive at your exact position with your exact intensity. And the driving thing isn't a matter of opinion. "I've done it for decades and never caused an accident" is the exact argument every drunk driver makes right up until they do. Your anecdotal survival is not evidence of safety.
        dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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- jhbadger 6mo ago
  Every apartment that I've lived in in the US has as part of the lease that you can't smoke (tobacco or anything else) in it. Same for hotel rooms.
dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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- toast0 6mo ago
  I don't think it's unreasonable to desire to be free from the noxious odors of others. > The right to waft my smells in any direction ends where your nose begins. - Abraham Lincoln or Ben Franklin or Mark Twain or someone
  - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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    - stale2002 6mo ago
      It doesn't have to be criminally illegal. Instead it could simply be civil. The apartment complex, which you do not own, would be the ones setting the rules here. And you, of your own free choice, would have the choice to either follow the rules or go live somewhere else. The person you are responding to doesn't have an issue with you smoking in your own purchased home. Instead this was about apartment complexes. And it wouldn't even have to be a law applied to you. It could be applied to the apartment complex. Apartment complexes already have to follow lots of laws. So they could simply be required to have this as a rule. And then you, could make your libertarian choice to live there or not. Its not your apartment complex after all. And since its someone else property, they would absolutely have the free to make you not do this in their own property.
      - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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        stale2002 6mo ago
        > When it's forced by government decree You aren't being forced to do anything that you didn't agree to. You aren't the apartment owner, you instead just signed the contract and have to follow the apartment rules. I don't see why you get to complain about what someone else is doing with their own property. Its their property. What laws apply to them are none of your business as you simply signed the contract.
asadotzler 6mo ago
Until we start throwing cigar, pipe, and cigarette smokers in prison for smoking where I can smell it, I'm totally okay smelling some pot. The playing field needs to be leveled.
- throwaway173738 6mo ago
  I don’t want my toddler exposed to secondhand pot smoke. Unfortunately it’s more common than secondhand cigarette smoke in my experience. I wouldn’t get upset on my own behalf but he’s too young to choose and it’s my responsibility to act in his behalf as much as I can.
  - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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  - DangitBobby 6mo ago
    Yep it's more distinctive, more intrusive, spreads further, smells worse.
    - IAmBroom 6mo ago
      But is it more unhealthy? The rest are simply adult "preferences".
      - throwaway173738 6mo ago
        Are you arguing that my toddler should be okay with it? The point is that it’s not about what I am okay with it’s about my being responsible for my son and what his adult self might want. We had opinions about the positive health effects of cigarettes in the 1940’s and 1950’s that turned out to be wrong. There’s a possibility you’re wrong about pot smoking too.
- dragonwriter 6mo ago
  Government tobacco smoking bans in indoor spaces accessible to the public (or outdoor spaces near the entrances to such spaces) are not uncommon in the US, nor are private contractual (via leases for rental properties and sometimes CC&Rs that bind property owners) bans for non-public spaces.
heavyset_go 6mo ago
Voting to put people in prison because of smells is certainly a take.
- DangitBobby 6mo ago
  I get that fucking smell everywhere now even while it's still illegal.
- sir0010010 6mo ago
  It's not about the smell. Secondhand marijuana smoke carries many of the same harmful compounds as cigarette smoke [1]. The issue is involuntary exposure in shared living spaces. And ballot measures are typically all-or-nothing: you can't vote yes on edibles but no on smoking in your apartment complex. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke.html https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke...
  - LEDThereBeLight 6mo ago
    Give me a break.
- dragonwriter 6mo ago
  Not all bans are criminal, and tobacco smoke has problems beyond odor.
dragonwriter 6mo ago
Smoking (even of tobacco) can generally be banned in the CC&Rs of properties (multifamily complexes is the case where this makes the most sense) and by the landlord in any rented property, multifamily or subject to CC&Rs or not.

pattilupone 6mo ago

Can smoking tobacco be banned in multifamily complexes currently? I'd think the policy would be the same.

ryoshoe 6mo ago
HOAs tend to manage this kind of thing
- hedgedoops2 6mo ago
  Lol, yes, subsidiarity. HOAs, the lowest level of US government.
  - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
    [flagged]
    - refulgentis 6mo ago
      You've made about a dozen comments in this thread and they've escalated from "HOAs are unconstitutional" to "I'd rather shoot my fellow citizens than be drafted if weed isn't legal" to "driving high is fine, I've done it for decades." Each one a little more unhinged than the last, which is an accomplishment given where it started. It reads less like a coherent political philosophy and more like someone who's been hitting the sacrament a little too hard this morning. I smoke your "sacrament" daily, and cigarettes, and I'm terrified that people will think you're representative of either of those classes, or even a minority of them. Most people in this thread broadly agree with you that marijuana should be legal. You're somehow picking fights with your own allies because they had the audacity to say they don't like the smell, or that driving impaired is bad. You're not defending freedom, you're being contrarian and hostile to anyone who doesn't arrive at your exact position with your exact intensity. And the driving thing isn't a matter of opinion. "I've done it for decades and never caused an accident" is the exact argument every drunk driver makes right up until they do. Your anecdotal survival is not evidence of safety.
      - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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jhbadger 6mo ago
Every apartment that I've lived in in the US has as part of the lease that you can't smoke (tobacco or anything else) in it. Same for hotel rooms.

dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago

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toast0 6mo ago
I don't think it's unreasonable to desire to be free from the noxious odors of others. > The right to waft my smells in any direction ends where your nose begins. - Abraham Lincoln or Ben Franklin or Mark Twain or someone
- dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
  [flagged]
  - stale2002 6mo ago
    It doesn't have to be criminally illegal. Instead it could simply be civil. The apartment complex, which you do not own, would be the ones setting the rules here. And you, of your own free choice, would have the choice to either follow the rules or go live somewhere else. The person you are responding to doesn't have an issue with you smoking in your own purchased home. Instead this was about apartment complexes. And it wouldn't even have to be a law applied to you. It could be applied to the apartment complex. Apartment complexes already have to follow lots of laws. So they could simply be required to have this as a rule. And then you, could make your libertarian choice to live there or not. Its not your apartment complex after all. And since its someone else property, they would absolutely have the free to make you not do this in their own property.
    - dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
      [flagged]
      - stale2002 6mo ago
        > When it's forced by government decree You aren't being forced to do anything that you didn't agree to. You aren't the apartment owner, you instead just signed the contract and have to follow the apartment rules. I don't see why you get to complain about what someone else is doing with their own property. Its their property. What laws apply to them are none of your business as you simply signed the contract.

asadotzler 6mo ago

Until we start throwing cigar, pipe, and cigarette smokers in prison for smoking where I can smell it, I'm totally okay smelling some pot. The playing field needs to be leveled.

throwaway173738 6mo ago
I don’t want my toddler exposed to secondhand pot smoke. Unfortunately it’s more common than secondhand cigarette smoke in my experience. I wouldn’t get upset on my own behalf but he’s too young to choose and it’s my responsibility to act in his behalf as much as I can.
- dfdsjsdklfjs 6mo ago
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- DangitBobby 6mo ago
  Yep it's more distinctive, more intrusive, spreads further, smells worse.
  - IAmBroom 6mo ago
    But is it more unhealthy? The rest are simply adult "preferences".
    - throwaway173738 6mo ago
      Are you arguing that my toddler should be okay with it? The point is that it’s not about what I am okay with it’s about my being responsible for my son and what his adult self might want. We had opinions about the positive health effects of cigarettes in the 1940’s and 1950’s that turned out to be wrong. There’s a possibility you’re wrong about pot smoking too.
dragonwriter 6mo ago
Government tobacco smoking bans in indoor spaces accessible to the public (or outdoor spaces near the entrances to such spaces) are not uncommon in the US, nor are private contractual (via leases for rental properties and sometimes CC&Rs that bind property owners) bans for non-public spaces.

heavyset_go 6mo ago

Voting to put people in prison because of smells is certainly a take.

DangitBobby 6mo ago
I get that fucking smell everywhere now even while it's still illegal.
sir0010010 6mo ago
It's not about the smell. Secondhand marijuana smoke carries many of the same harmful compounds as cigarette smoke [1]. The issue is involuntary exposure in shared living spaces. And ballot measures are typically all-or-nothing: you can't vote yes on edibles but no on smoking in your apartment complex. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke.html https://www.cdc.gov/cannabis/health-effects/secondhand-smoke...
- LEDThereBeLight 6mo ago
  Give me a break.
dragonwriter 6mo ago
Not all bans are criminal, and tobacco smoke has problems beyond odor.

dragonwriter 6mo ago

Smoking (even of tobacco) can generally be banned in the CC&Rs of properties (multifamily complexes is the case where this makes the most sense) and by the landlord in any rented property, multifamily or subject to CC&Rs or not.