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Violence won't solve anything, everyone is worse off.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> Violence won't solve anything Violence can solve problems. This kind of violence is stupid, counterproductive and immoral. Strategically deploying violence takes time, resources and discipline. Wanking off with a gun does not.
- Teever 7mo ago
  When do you think that we will see the first successful strike on a CEO with a drone?
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > When do you think that we will see the first successful strike on a CEO with a drone? Right before we see drone body guards and protest monitors gun down innocent bystanders.
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esbranson 7mo ago
Violence solves problems every day. Worse off is relative. I think you mean to qualify your statement.
- ares623 7mo ago
  Police employ violence all the time and I think we who are okay/well off all agree that they solve our problems every day. What us cushy engineers haven't realized yet is that the gradient for who are well off are sliding more and more towards one end. Sooner or later engineers will be on the wrong side of that gradient.
  - esbranson 7mo ago
    Indeed. Violence can be and is met with violence, and refusing to discern against them is a logical failure that needs correcting. Inevitably it comes down to process, and being a one-party state in control, the Democrats control the violence. Arguably on both sides.
  - nebula8804 7mo ago
    >What us cushy engineers haven't realized yet is that the gradient for who are well off are sliding more and more towards one end. Sooner or later engineers will be on the wrong side of that gradient. Finally someone who said it. There was this quote I saw in the movie "Air"(about michael Jordan) about how people with true wealth only ever part with it not out of charity but out of greed. It takes someone or something truly special to force them to part with that money. This whole era that we've lived through, where software engineers have amazing working conditions compared to blue collar workers and manage to pull ahead in society, helping to form a white collar elite class, is an aberration caused by the miracle of the microprocessor and Moore's Law. The elites saw the opportunity to obtain so much wealth from the lower classes(in the form of automating labor with computers) that they were forced to part with a bit of it, allowing some special people: software engineers like you and me to achieve what we consider a middle class life. But sooner or later those same people will want that wealth back. They will continue to fight and find ways to take that wealth back: whether through H‑1B visas, "learn to code" initiatives to increase supply, or now AI. AI could very well crash and burn tomorrow but they will be back, and it will be an ongoing battle for the rest of our lives.
livinglist 7mo ago
I agree, French Revolution was pretty peaceful
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > French Revolution was pretty peaceful The elites after the French Revolution were not only mostly the same as before, they escaped with so much money and wealth that it’s actually debated if they increased their wealth share through the chaos [1]. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/650023 https://www.jstor.org/stable/650023
  - livinglist 7mo ago
    Do you have any suggestions for a real peaceful approach to get rid of the French royalty?
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      > suggestions for a real peaceful approach to get rid of the French royalty? What the British did. Tale of Two Cities. Land and electoral reform. One of them stayed geopolitically relevant for another century. One of them became Germany’s sock puppet.
      - lostmsu 7mo ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I_of_England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I_of_Engl...
        JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        Yes. Trial. Banana, sure. But a precedent for peace.
  - shooly 7mo ago
    This is called cherry picking. The comment refers to an article specifically discussing only one aspect of a major historical event. The French revolution is considered one of the most important events in the history of Europe, because of the great impact it had on the (among others) politics, economy and the quality of life of common people. Downplaying its importance by trying to water its impact down to "but rich still rich, no?" is a sign, that the comment might have been made in bad faith or without proper understanding of the source material.

> Violence won't solve anything Violence can solve problems. This kind of violence is stupid, counterproductive and immoral. Strategically deploying violence takes time, resources and discipline. Wanking off with a gun does not.

Teever 7mo ago
When do you think that we will see the first successful strike on a CEO with a drone?
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > When do you think that we will see the first successful strike on a CEO with a drone? Right before we see drone body guards and protest monitors gun down innocent bystanders.

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esbranson 7mo ago

Violence solves problems every day. Worse off is relative. I think you mean to qualify your statement.

ares623 7mo ago
Police employ violence all the time and I think we who are okay/well off all agree that they solve our problems every day. What us cushy engineers haven't realized yet is that the gradient for who are well off are sliding more and more towards one end. Sooner or later engineers will be on the wrong side of that gradient.
- esbranson 7mo ago
  Indeed. Violence can be and is met with violence, and refusing to discern against them is a logical failure that needs correcting. Inevitably it comes down to process, and being a one-party state in control, the Democrats control the violence. Arguably on both sides.
- nebula8804 7mo ago
  >What us cushy engineers haven't realized yet is that the gradient for who are well off are sliding more and more towards one end. Sooner or later engineers will be on the wrong side of that gradient. Finally someone who said it. There was this quote I saw in the movie "Air"(about michael Jordan) about how people with true wealth only ever part with it not out of charity but out of greed. It takes someone or something truly special to force them to part with that money. This whole era that we've lived through, where software engineers have amazing working conditions compared to blue collar workers and manage to pull ahead in society, helping to form a white collar elite class, is an aberration caused by the miracle of the microprocessor and Moore's Law. The elites saw the opportunity to obtain so much wealth from the lower classes(in the form of automating labor with computers) that they were forced to part with a bit of it, allowing some special people: software engineers like you and me to achieve what we consider a middle class life. But sooner or later those same people will want that wealth back. They will continue to fight and find ways to take that wealth back: whether through H‑1B visas, "learn to code" initiatives to increase supply, or now AI. AI could very well crash and burn tomorrow but they will be back, and it will be an ongoing battle for the rest of our lives.

livinglist 7mo ago

I agree, French Revolution was pretty peaceful

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> French Revolution was pretty peaceful The elites after the French Revolution were not only mostly the same as before, they escaped with so much money and wealth that it’s actually debated if they increased their wealth share through the chaos [1]. [1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/650023 https://www.jstor.org/stable/650023
- livinglist 7mo ago
  Do you have any suggestions for a real peaceful approach to get rid of the French royalty?
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > suggestions for a real peaceful approach to get rid of the French royalty? What the British did. Tale of Two Cities. Land and electoral reform. One of them stayed geopolitically relevant for another century. One of them became Germany’s sock puppet.
    - lostmsu 7mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I_of_England https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I_of_Engl...
      - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        Yes. Trial. Banana, sure. But a precedent for peace.
- shooly 7mo ago
  This is called cherry picking. The comment refers to an article specifically discussing only one aspect of a major historical event. The French revolution is considered one of the most important events in the history of Europe, because of the great impact it had on the (among others) politics, economy and the quality of life of common people. Downplaying its importance by trying to water its impact down to "but rich still rich, no?" is a sign, that the comment might have been made in bad faith or without proper understanding of the source material.