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As a fellow European this is the biggest surprise of the election, I thought for sure he'd pull a Trump.
by mstade 6mo ago
As a fellow European this is the biggest surprise of the election, I thought for sure he'd pull a Trump.
- quantummagic 6mo ago[flagged]
- jacquesm 6mo agoExcept of course for the little bit where he instructed his VP to not certify the elections.
- ceejayoz 6mo agoWe're just gonna pretend Jan 6 never happened, eh? He claimed the 2020 election was stolen again yesterday.
- HDThoreaun 6mo agoTrump still to this day has not admitted he lost against biden
- patcon 6mo agoFrom the perspective of a Canadian, this feels like an absolutely mad-cap crazy comment. What did you live through? EDIT: with as little judgement as I'm sincerely trying to have, I would strongly recommend reviewing your information diet and neurotypical predispositions to investigate why you might believe this. (E.g. I am predisposed to support an underdog, and need to gutcheck myself on that regularly)
- quantummagic 6mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 6mo agoSure. Just like Hitler offing himself; just an expression of trust in the system! "Oh no, I lost in the marketplace of ideas, time to make the ultimate concession!"
- quantummagic 6mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 6mo agoGood news! https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-la... > I’ve never said that just because you’re invoking the Nazis you’re losing the argument. If you’re going to compare somebody to Hitler or the Nazis or raise the specter of the Holocaust, be sure you’ve got your facts right. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with Biden’s — or anyone else’s — comparison of Trump calling people vermin or talking about blood poisoning to Hitler. Trump went because House/Senate Republicans at the time hadn't yet done the 180 they have since; the support wasn't there. It has nothing to do with his faith in the democratic process.
- quantummagic 6mo ago> Trump went because... But in the end he went. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to. There is room to challenge results, that keeps the system honest. When he lost the challenges, he willingly stepped down. This is exactly how the system is designed to work. I understand the visceral hatred of Trump, but I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has, with people using emotional-manipulation like evoking Hitler.
- ceejayoz 6mo ago> But in the end he went. Sure. Again, so did Hitler. He went because the alternative was being dragged out by the FBI and Secret Service like a toddler having a tantrum. > I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has Maybe if your self-described information diet included a little news and electoral coverage you wouldn't be so flat-footed by it.
- cosmicgadget 6mo ago"Your honor I am only accused of attempted murder."
- comrade1234 6mo ago> there was the normal transfer of power ok...
- bparsons 6mo agoI vaguely recall a man giving a speech to a large group of people, urging Congress to not certify the election, and then those people storming the capitol, and then those people going to jail and being subsequently pardoned from jail from the guy who gave the speech.
- crop_rotation 6mo agoPulling a Trump requires a polarized electorate where you are mostly going to have both parties in 48-52% range, with only real fights in few battleground states, and no absurd change in total vote %. Even Trump won't pull a Trump if other party was nearing 2/3rd majority. I am not even sure of what would happen to American politics if a party reaches 2/3rd majority in both houses, a list of long pending reforms might finally become possible.
- stefan_ 6mo agoAlso an election system designed for horseback.
- dd8601fn 6mo agoI think it's pretty damn brilliant. I see the failure to maintain it as intended as the real shortcoming.
- tromp 6mo agoIf anyone can bring about enough disappointment and disgust for 2/3 of the population to vote Democrat, it is Trump.
- derdi 6mo agoIt's worth noting that the party vote share here was 53% for Tisza vs. 44% for the even-more-right-wing parties. The fact that this results in a two thirds majority is because the electoral system inflates the strongest party. Orbán has previously achieved two thirds majorities multiple times while winning less than 50% of the party vote. Most seats are assigned not through party lists but in single-member constituencies with first-past-the-post voting, same as in America. So it's not "convince two thirds of the people to vote for you", it's "convince a very slim plurality in two thirds of the constituencies to vote for you".
- jacquesm 6mo agoLet's hope they fix that little loophole before the next election.
- esbranson 6mo agoGetting arrested after losing an election? Or getting arrested as an opposition candidate in an election which he later won?
- cosmicgadget 6mo agoSeems like it was a clear reference to January 6.