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There’s the argument that Anthropic has built Claude Code to use the models efficiently, which the subscription pricing is based on. Maybe there’s some truth t

by cedws 6mo ago

There’s the argument that Anthropic has built Claude Code to use the models efficiently, which the subscription pricing is based on. Maybe there’s some truth to that, but then why haven’t OpenAI made the same move? I believe the main reason is platform control. Anthropic can’t survive as a pipeline for tokens, they need to build and control a platform, which means aggressively locking out everybody else building a platform.

Zetaphor 6mo ago
Alternatively products like openclaw have an outsized impact on Anthropic's infrastructure for essentially no benefit to them. Especially when you're taking advantage of the $200 plan. OpenAI has never shyed away from burning mountains of cash to try and capture a little more market share. They paid a billion dollars for a vibe coded mess just for the opportunity to associate themselves with the hype.
- plusplusungood 6mo ago
  > Taking advantage of the $200 plan. No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT expense I have. Taking advantage my foot.
  - charcircuit 6mo ago
    It's not a premium product. It's just expensive.
  - infecto 6mo ago
    You are simply a bit too entitled. It's not a premium product and honestly not that expensive in my opinion either (though that is going to depend on your location). You are more than able to pay for API rates.
    - siva7 6mo ago
      You may want to learn the difference between someone being able to pay API rates and someone willing to pay API rates. I'm sure many people on HN are able to pay API rates and almost all of them aren't willing to pay API rates. The providers know this hence why subscriptions exist. API is almost solely used by companies as almost no private person would be willing to pay that.
      - infecto 6mo ago
        “You may want to learn” such choice way to introduce your position which is really not much of one. If you are going to come and complain about a $200 subscription that gives you $400 worth of API tokens there is only so much room to complain. Only so many lemons can be squeezed. Hope that was a helpful for you.
    - Dylan16807 6mo ago
      A normal person pays $0-10 for an AI plan, maybe double that for a business. $200 is premium.
      - infecto 6mo ago
        It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service.
        Dylan16807 6mo ago
        > It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one is a premium bundle.
  - 59nadir 6mo ago
    Can you imagine paying the actual cost of it, or a subscription cost that at least ballpark matched it? I don't think I have a single friend or acquaintance who realistically would.
- qeternity 6mo ago
  > They paid a billion dollars for a vibe coded mess just for the opportunity to associate themselves with the hype. Lol no they didn't. It wasn't even an acquihire. They just hired Peter. Maybe they are paying him incredibly well, but not a billion dollars well.
snovv_crash 6mo ago
I think it's a training data thing. They can only gather valid training data from real human interactions, so they don't want to subsidize tokens for purely automated interactions.

by cedws 6mo ago

Zetaphor 6mo ago

Alternatively products like openclaw have an outsized impact on Anthropic's infrastructure for essentially no benefit to them. Especially when you're taking advantage of the $200 plan. OpenAI has never shyed away from burning mountains of cash to try and capture a little more market share. They paid a billion dollars for a vibe coded mess just for the opportunity to associate themselves with the hype.

plusplusungood 6mo ago
> Taking advantage of the $200 plan. No, I'm paying $200 a month for a premium product that I expect premium service for. It's the single most expensive IT expense I have. Taking advantage my foot.
- charcircuit 6mo ago
  It's not a premium product. It's just expensive.
- infecto 6mo ago
  You are simply a bit too entitled. It's not a premium product and honestly not that expensive in my opinion either (though that is going to depend on your location). You are more than able to pay for API rates.
  - siva7 6mo ago
    You may want to learn the difference between someone being able to pay API rates and someone willing to pay API rates. I'm sure many people on HN are able to pay API rates and almost all of them aren't willing to pay API rates. The providers know this hence why subscriptions exist. API is almost solely used by companies as almost no private person would be willing to pay that.
    - infecto 6mo ago
      “You may want to learn” such choice way to introduce your position which is really not much of one. If you are going to come and complain about a $200 subscription that gives you $400 worth of API tokens there is only so much room to complain. Only so many lemons can be squeezed. Hope that was a helpful for you.
  - Dylan16807 6mo ago
    A normal person pays $0-10 for an AI plan, maybe double that for a business. $200 is premium.
    - infecto 6mo ago
      It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. Those $200 gives you at least $400 in API cost tokens. Don't confused price with "premium service". It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. You are buying a subsidized product when using the plan and the more you spend the more tokens you get, has nothing to do with being a premium service.
      - Dylan16807 6mo ago
        > It is not a premium service, it simply is buying you more tokens. The cheap plans are usually semi-unlimited the same way but not as powerful. This isn't simply a matter of buying more tokens. > It was not that long ago that folks would be spending $100-200 on their cable service bundle. Compared to OTA that's premium, but more relevantly if most cable buyers are getting a hypothetical $10 bundle then the $100 one is a premium bundle.
- 59nadir 6mo ago
  Can you imagine paying the actual cost of it, or a subscription cost that at least ballpark matched it? I don't think I have a single friend or acquaintance who realistically would.
qeternity 6mo ago
> They paid a billion dollars for a vibe coded mess just for the opportunity to associate themselves with the hype. Lol no they didn't. It wasn't even an acquihire. They just hired Peter. Maybe they are paying him incredibly well, but not a billion dollars well.

snovv_crash 6mo ago

I think it's a training data thing. They can only gather valid training data from real human interactions, so they don't want to subsidize tokens for purely automated interactions.